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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 17, 2014 10:25:24 GMT -5
norinco: Does not that dump pouch get in your way? I find that when placed there it hits your leg if you run, you sometimes end up laying on it etc, it's awful. 7-8 o clock, behind your magazines for preference. Obv personal preference etc, but I don't know why things are where they are atm
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Post by norinco on Sept 17, 2014 11:03:40 GMT -5
norinco: Does not that dump pouch get in your way? I find that when placed there it hits your leg if you run, you sometimes end up laying on it etc, it's awful. 7-8 o clock, behind your magazines for preference. Obv personal preference etc, but I don't know why things are where they are atm I've had it mounted behind the mag pouches before and usually end up littering the ground with magazines because I either miss the pouch when trying to retain the magazine or I've had them bounce out when running. Situation 1: I was at a Suarez AK class and was doing a mag change with my handgun during a transition drill. Missed the pouch while under "stress" and the instructor walked up to me afterwards with my magazine that jumped out of my dump pouch while on the move. Situation 2: I was at a local practical rifle match and did a mag change on the run during the match. Fellow competitor came walking up to me after I ran the course with my AK mag in his hand that I swore I had put in my dump pouch. So yes it could just be a training issue for me. I could spend the time to train finding my dump pouch each and every time from various positions and stress levels. But keeping it up front is out of the way 99% of the time and allows me better control over my magazine retention. It's easier to see the dump pouch in that front position and I don't have to reach almost behind me to dump my mags. I don't have to walk around with the mags in there for hours. Just until there is a lull in the class, course or "fight." So it's there as a result of my experiences thus far.
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 17, 2014 13:32:43 GMT -5
norinco: Does not that dump pouch get in your way? I find that when placed there it hits your leg if you run, you sometimes end up laying on it etc, it's awful. 7-8 o clock, behind your magazines for preference. Obv personal preference etc, but I don't know why things are where they are atm I've had it mounted behind the mag pouches before and usually end up littering the ground with magazines because I either miss the pouch when trying to retain the magazine or I've had them bounce out when running. Situation 1: I was at a Suarez AK class and was doing a mag change with my handgun during a transition drill. Missed the pouch while under "stress" and the instructor walked up to me afterwards with my magazine that jumped out of my dump pouch while on the move. Situation 2: I was at a local practical rifle match and did a mag change on the run during the match. Fellow competitor came walking up to me after I ran the course with my AK mag in his hand that I swore I had put in my dump pouch. So yes it could just be a training issue for me. I could spend the time to train finding my dump pouch each and every time from various positions and stress levels. But keeping it up front is out of the way 99% of the time and allows me better control over my magazine retention. It's easier to see the dump pouch in that front position and I don't have to reach almost behind me to dump my mags. I don't have to walk around with the mags in there for hours. Just until there is a lull in the class, course or "fight." So it's there as a result of my experiences thus far. Fair enough. I've got just one challenge for you; Load it up with 2-3 mags, and then throw yourself prone after a 5 or so metre sprint. THAT is where I find the issue. I totally get wanting it up front, and see your reasoning behind doing so, just want to check for you that you've considered all angles. It's the ONLY practicality issue for that being where it is that I can think of, really . Hell, if it wasn't all faffy and in the way I'd like attached to the rifle under the magwell!
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Post by omnivorous on Sept 17, 2014 13:50:19 GMT -5
norinco: Does not that dump pouch get in your way? I find that when placed there it hits your leg if you run, you sometimes end up laying on it etc, it's awful. 7-8 o clock, behind your magazines for preference. Obv personal preference etc, but I don't know why things are where they are atm I've had it mounted behind the mag pouches before and usually end up littering the ground with magazines because I either miss the pouch when trying to retain the magazine or I've had them bounce out when running. Situation 1: I was at a Suarez AK class and was doing a mag change with my handgun during a transition drill. Missed the pouch while under "stress" and the instructor walked up to me afterwards with my magazine that jumped out of my dump pouch while on the move. Situation 2: I was at a local practical rifle match and did a mag change on the run during the match. Fellow competitor came walking up to me after I ran the course with my AK mag in his hand that I swore I had put in my dump pouch. So yes it could just be a training issue for me. I could spend the time to train finding my dump pouch each and every time from various positions and stress levels. But keeping it up front is out of the way 99% of the time and allows me better control over my magazine retention. It's easier to see the dump pouch in that front position and I don't have to reach almost behind me to dump my mags. I don't have to walk around with the mags in there for hours. Just until there is a lull in the class, course or "fight." So it's there as a result of my experiences thus far. It could just be the dump pouch you've been using, have you tried any others?
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 17, 2014 13:54:21 GMT -5
I've had it mounted behind the mag pouches before and usually end up littering the ground with magazines because I either miss the pouch when trying to retain the magazine or I've had them bounce out when running. Situation 1: I was at a Suarez AK class and was doing a mag change with my handgun during a transition drill. Missed the pouch while under "stress" and the instructor walked up to me afterwards with my magazine that jumped out of my dump pouch while on the move. Situation 2: I was at a local practical rifle match and did a mag change on the run during the match. Fellow competitor came walking up to me after I ran the course with my AK mag in his hand that I swore I had put in my dump pouch. So yes it could just be a training issue for me. I could spend the time to train finding my dump pouch each and every time from various positions and stress levels. But keeping it up front is out of the way 99% of the time and allows me better control over my magazine retention. It's easier to see the dump pouch in that front position and I don't have to reach almost behind me to dump my mags. I don't have to walk around with the mags in there for hours. Just until there is a lull in the class, course or "fight." So it's there as a result of my experiences thus far. It could just be the dump pouch you've been using, have you tried any others? This. If it's open topped, or you have to faff with a drawstring, then this makes sense. I didn't even consider it. You want one with two overlapping bits of cloth, ideally elasticated, for best 'not losing a magazine' results. HOWEVER, if what you have works, and you can throw yourself on the floor without hurting yourself (And if you don't want to throw yourself down in case you do... that's probably a good indication that you will ) then I see no logical reason to change something that works.
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Post by USMC0331 on Sept 17, 2014 17:02:36 GMT -5
I've only tried the HSGI magnet and the TT dump pouch, the TT is much preferred. The rollups are neat but for a dedicated belt, you will find a dedicated pouch works better. I run mine at 7:00
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Post by omnivorous on Sept 17, 2014 21:49:07 GMT -5
Emdom's dump pouch looks really good, to me. It doesn't roll-up all nice and tidy, but its designed to function better when unrolled, than when rolled up.
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 18, 2014 13:00:28 GMT -5
A question, whilst we're on the topic of dump pouches; Is there any reason NOT to locate it at six o clock, rather than 7/8? I've just been messing with an open utility pouch, and I can get something of the same approx size/shape in there with either hand (left handed shooting, anyone?) I've not had the opportunity to try this with an actual dump pouch, mind you.
Thoughts?
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Post by USMC0331 on Sept 18, 2014 14:27:24 GMT -5
My thoughts are that it's a more natural position for a right hander that requires less hunting. I can see into it at 7:30 verses 6:00, it's somewhat offset for sitting comfort in a vehicle and being ambi is not a concern for me on a dump.
The times I store a mag offhanded is rare and if doing so in behind cover and can switch hands to do it.
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Sept 18, 2014 18:11:58 GMT -5
A question, whilst we're on the topic of dump pouches; Is there any reason NOT to locate it at six o clock, rather than 7/8? I've just been messing with an open utility pouch, and I can get something of the same approx size/shape in there with either hand (left handed shooting, anyone?) I've not had the opportunity to try this with an actual dump pouch, mind you. Thoughts? Personally, I have had it at 6 and at 7-8ish (depending on pouch location) and I prefer it at the 7-8 o'clock position. It's out of the way of my belt reloads yet isn't all the way in back. This was from a carbine class I took several years back, I was running very light gear-wise: When/if I switch over to more of a Brit system (the heavy-belt/suspenders system supporting the backpack makes a ton of sense, cheers!) I will still try to keep the dump pouch at 7-8 o'clock, even though I may have to resort to some kind of lowering method (looped paracord or some such) even though it will flop all over the place that way. Haven't sorted that part out yet, honestly.
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 19, 2014 4:59:02 GMT -5
usmc0331, surely, assuming it's empty, it's a non issue? I'm thinking of t more in terms of balanceing weight in gear, though I have just realised it would be shit with a bag on. UnforseenWeather: You know it's a good idea Only issue is your rear pouches need to be quite full, depending on what you carry/SOPs it can be tricky. I like a water bottle central, goretex right hand and snack food and bits and peices left side. Goretex can leave for mission essentials, and so can food. The key is tailoring to specific missions, which is why I like big util pouches, round the back out of the way.
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Post by USMC0331 on Sept 19, 2014 10:45:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean? The main reason I like it off center of the 6:00 is that I can look into it and don't have to reach so far around to drop a mag into it.
I use mine for a temp storage place all the time.
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 19, 2014 12:42:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean? The main reason I like it off center of the 6:00 is that I can look into it and don't have to reach so far around to drop a mag into it. I use mine for a temp storage place all the time. I mean that the main reason it would suck is if you're fighting with a small daysack on, it'd be hard to get to. I've never (and don't see myself doing it, but I'm willing to be enlightened!) used it for anything other than for throwing a magazine in - It's better than down the jacket because magazines in the ribcage can be... uncomfy. What sort of stuff do you put in there?
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Post by USMC0331 on Sept 19, 2014 19:10:53 GMT -5
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Post by panzer0170 on Sept 20, 2014 3:51:35 GMT -5
I meant that if it were @ six i clock it would interfere, not where you have it. Sorry for the confusion, writing is not my preferred medium!
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