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Post by andrewe on Apr 12, 2015 2:43:36 GMT -5
Jeez, I didn't know links could be had for that cheap! Shit, that's like 166 worth of 30 round mags, and for a lot less! Unless I'm mistaken, that ability to feed AR mags into the 249, had reliability issues associated with it. Perhaps that was just with earlier models? Can't wait to see the price tag on the FN 249S. Who wants to start a pool on it?  If memory serves (i.e. don't quote me on this 'cause I'm probably way wrong), part of the 249's reliability problems with magazines is from the crappy, used-to-death USGI mags lots of guys were stuffing in it. Another part, though, is that the bolt's movement also actuates the belt pull, and without that weight/resistance, it cycles so fast that the bolt outruns the magazine's feed rate. That might be ameliorated in a semi-auto version, a bit....or by making sure to use good-quality magazines with good-condition springs. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 12, 2015 10:22:34 GMT -5
Rumored price is approx $7,000.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 12, 2015 10:29:05 GMT -5
To be fair, I think I'm looking at around $4, 4.5k for a Tavor setup how I want with the appropriate optic and a couple of helpful additions.
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 12, 2015 12:53:05 GMT -5
Rumored price is approx $7,000. Yeah, definitely a "group" buy.  |
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Post by waffenmacht on Jul 9, 2015 19:49:46 GMT -5
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 10, 2015 14:27:36 GMT -5
An MCR full upper runs about 4 grand. Not unreachable at all...
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Post by DeadeyeD on Jul 14, 2015 14:00:06 GMT -5
 A few of my OpFor guys are class 3's, and when we do force on force day/night ambushes, that's what students get. One of the guys has 2 SAW's (different configurations) and a PKM to name a few of his. Full auto is great, but usually not needed (especially in the position we find ourselves) if you know how to run a rifle in the "Automatic Rifleman" role. "Bump firing" is ridiculous, simply because you do not completely control the weapon (please don't bring up that silly stock). The biggest detriment to firing accurately and quickly, is usually the sighting system, and that can be fixed with a quality red dot, and training. Here's a pic of the rifle you speak of Panzer. It is an FAL with a TTI StraightJacket soldiersystems.net/2013/01/13/straightjacket-barrel-system-from-teludyne/on it. The barrel will not overheat with that modification. Put a drum on that. |
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 14, 2015 17:26:49 GMT -5
Dude, that FAL is... awesome! I know you like the M1A, but I really dig the FAL.  Minus the full auto capability, which I think we all agree is of limited applicability for ACs, I think a belt-fed semi-auto still can provide the same benefits of providing increased volume of fire on demand, without having to reload as frequently. The only real hurdle is the price tag, both of the weapon/components themselves, and the extra ammo. |
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Post by DeadeyeD on Jul 14, 2015 17:59:00 GMT -5
If so, why is the Marine Corps going back to a mag fed AR for the automatic rifleman role (M27).If you need more than what a box mag provides, go with a drum fed system. Belt feds are notoriously known as "Logistics Bitches"...trust me, I know all too well Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing better in a "Defense" than a belt fed 30, but they aren't needed for squad level ops..
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 14, 2015 18:42:35 GMT -5
I've not really understood many of the decisions made by the military. Hell, there's chatter of the Army just now using hollow-point ammo, because hey, the US never signed the treaty which banned them, so... yeah.
I think a weapon which can be fed from both belts and mags, as long as doing so doesn't cause reliability issues, would be the better route. For the defence, belt feeding would be something nice to have against the horde. Hell, if you survived, and had the opportunity, you could walk around with a big magnet on wheels and collect all of the links.
What makes belt feds "Logistics Bitches"? I'm genuinely interesting in understanding your position, better.
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Post by DeadeyeD on Jul 14, 2015 19:10:45 GMT -5
They break a lot
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 14, 2015 19:16:04 GMT -5
The belts, the weapons themselves, or both? I guessing both, at this point. |
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Post by judomayhem on Jul 14, 2015 23:04:41 GMT -5
If so, why is the Marine Corps going back to a mag fed AR for the automatic rifleman role (M27).If you need more than what a box mag provides, go with a drum fed system. Belt feds are notoriously known as "Logistics Bitches"...trust me, I know all too well Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing better in a "Defense" than a belt fed 30, but they aren't needed for squad level ops.. Preach it, brother! (Said a current SAW gunner) |
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Post by DeadeyeD on Jul 15, 2015 6:11:48 GMT -5
Omnivorous, the weapons systems have a number of areas that have parts failures (especially the feed tray). A box type feeding system reduces the chance of these types of failures/malfunctions.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 15, 2015 9:07:11 GMT -5
I still think a RPK with a few modifications and some 75 rnd drum mags makes a good fixed position defensive weapon, and by swapping the drums for standard 30 round mags a decent SAW stand-in. I kick myself for not getting one (or two) back when I had the chance.
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