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Post by panzer0170 on Jan 17, 2015 17:53:38 GMT -5
winter - I Agree. I get how they're used. Your link appears to be missing Map Predicted fire
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Post by Hawkeye on Jan 17, 2015 17:59:34 GMT -5
.......................The idea that simply because a weapon has auto capability it will somehow burn through more ammo is a personal discipline issue, not one inherent to the weapon design. This is very true. However, there is a very high occurance, of even with the best trained individuals, of them going highly cyclic without consciously thinking about it when under fire from live incoming rounds. All this talk has me feeling nostalgic, and makes me miss running a Pig. I know some folks didn't care for them, but I liked them darn it.
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Post by winter on Jan 17, 2015 20:24:02 GMT -5
As an indirect fire weapon, you will need vast amounts of ammo. Ammo is still much more available and cheaper than any other UW indirect fire weapon.
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 18, 2015 2:25:20 GMT -5
Digging the pictures. I want to bring up my favorite LMG. And that being The PKM. The fact that it is lighter than the m240b and the m60, the caliber (7.62x54R) and lastly the non disintegrating belt. A lot of people hate the fact that it has a non disintegrating belt but I think its a great feature. Its a great LMG for a guerrilla force that does not have a steady supply line. For example, with whats going on in Ukraine the DPR early on had the ability to get Spam cans of ammo, but did not often have the ability to get the belts. Its a shame we cant get it in the states easily. Hell, id even buy a Semi version. I heart the PK series as well. They've just got so much going for them! I think that none disintegrating belt is an advantage, not a hindrance, as well, to resistance groups at least. Zenitco of Russia makes a several components for the weapon system, for mounting optics and improving ergonomics. Poland uses a whole family of GPMGs which are based off of the PK family, the UKM-2000. It is converted to fire the 7.62x51mm and feed with M-13 belts, along with several other modifications. Here's a really good write-up on the weapon: www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=820I have read old online threads about semi-auto only PKMs, built from parts kits in such a away that their mechanisms cannot be converted to full-auto capability. However, those models were about as expensive as genuine full-autos.
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Post by Erick on Jan 28, 2015 18:17:35 GMT -5
I believe there is a role for bumpfire or TAC 3MR applications. For example when conducting an ambush your beaten zone is not 1000 yds away and volume of fire will trump accuracy at that point.
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Post by waffenmacht on Jan 29, 2015 8:08:35 GMT -5
Semi Auto RPD test fire. This rifle just came back from DSA after repair of a loose front sight.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jan 29, 2015 11:22:20 GMT -5
Genuine question, no attempt to bait anyone;
Could you not just throw a bipod on a heavy barrelled 7.62x51 rifle (I'm thinking FAL, here) and acheive the same effect? Potentially even a bipod/foregrip combo (like the newest variant of the SA80, where the bipod rocks out of the foregrip) Something that you could equally use with normal box magazines as a battle rifle. What advantage/disadvantages are there between belt fed box mags and drum style (other than cost, if looking at X-Products style).
It seems something like a FAL is a lot easier to get hold of than RPD type weapons, at least for comparative prices. Drums might run up that cost, but you don't have to worry about link, at least.
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Post by waffenmacht on Jan 29, 2015 11:57:23 GMT -5
I theory, yes you can. Look at the Czech ZB26 and Bren, they are box style magazine fed weapons that fit the role of the LMG...but they are not capable of as much fire downrange....Belts are much easier to carry, and drums offer more ammo capacity then say a 20rd FAL mag, or 30's as the Australians and Israelis sometimes had. This can be an advantage to some lightfighters, a lightweight LMG with ammo/mag types being the same as a regular squad rifleman. But, typically speaking, a LMG needs to be able to put more fire downrange then a rifle, as its main use is different from that of a rifle. There is a reason dedicated belt and drum fed weapons are used in every military in the world today, and rifles made into squad support weapons have always fallen short.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jan 29, 2015 13:04:26 GMT -5
Bren was exactly what I was thinking of for inspiration. RM refused to get rid of their for a good solid couple of decades after the GPMG came into service. I get the whole belt = better thing from a military viewpoint, it's just that whole trick of supplying that level of ammo. Anything belt fed that puts plenty of fire down usually has interchangeable barrels as well. Assuming you've not got access to that feature it really does cut the advantage of belt feed right down, or risk nacking the whole weapon. I suppose it boils down to what calibres you're stocking in, and what everyone round you is using. I wouldn't want to have to stash WP and NATO standard ammo if I could just have twice as much of one type.
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Post by waffenmacht on Jan 29, 2015 13:56:21 GMT -5
Just for the record, whenever we buy a weapon system we make sure we have the appropriate level of support equipment. So for every weapon we have that requires barrel changes, we have a few barrels on hand as well. All this must be factored into the total price/investment of the weapon. Exactly as it would for a standard infantry rifle. So for an RPD for example, you are not just looking at the 2K price tag for the rifle. You also need about 10-20 belts, 3-5K ammunition, at least 3 drums, pouches for 2 of those drums and an extra parts kit for spares/conversions (should the laws change). That's just to get started so you can begin to deploy the system and train with it. It is an investment, and one that not everyone can/will make.
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 29, 2015 14:48:36 GMT -5
I've mentioned it before, not in this thread, but my dream semi-SAW, would be a Molot Vepr IV with a Definitive Arms magwell conversion. Thanks to big O and Puty not being able to play nice, there likely won't be anymore of them available beyond what's already in the country, ever. I have absolutely no real need for one, nor even the space, but I still kind of kick myself for not getting one when they were ~$1000 just a few months ago. Now they go for double your fun, rape prices on gunjoker. The new PMAG D-60 hasn't been helping, either.
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Post by waffenmacht on Feb 3, 2015 9:02:28 GMT -5
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 3, 2015 9:48:46 GMT -5
Very nice..
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Post by waffenmacht on Mar 8, 2015 21:49:15 GMT -5
Teaser pic. But the short story is this weekend we got to bring out a bunch of RPK's and one RPD (just for fun, no real training value, and we were limited on com-block weapons only) as a show and tell... Vid and more pics to come. But between 7 guys that showed, we managed to provide 5 RPK's and 1 RPD.
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Post by omnivorous on Mar 9, 2015 3:13:24 GMT -5
^This pic says, "Ladies...?"
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