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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 9, 2015 8:26:10 GMT -5
Teaser pic. But the short story is this weekend we got to bring out a bunch of RPK's and one RPD (just for fun, no real training value, and we were limited on com-block weapons only) as a show and tell... Vid and more pics to come. But between 7 guys that showed, we managed to provide 5 RPK's and 1 RPD. This picture violates forum rules...... I'm not sure which rule, but there has to be one even if I have to make it up on the fly. Let me know if anyone wants to sell one of those at some point....
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Post by omnivorous on Mar 9, 2015 17:12:15 GMT -5
The BATFE's example is not a positive one to follow.
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Post by wesker on Mar 9, 2015 18:48:32 GMT -5
Waffenmacht, how many rounds in drums or mags would you be humping for the RPKs? Civilian LMG alternatives have always intrigued me and there's not alot of disucssion on them.
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Post by waffenmacht on Mar 10, 2015 6:26:28 GMT -5
Waffenmacht, how many rounds in drums or mags would you be humping for the RPKs? Civilian LMG alternatives have always intrigued me and there's not alot of disucssion on them. Good question. And one that has many right answers depending on the doctrine you follow. The following would apply to me, but I do not follow NATO/Western squad organization. The LMG would have 3 drums total, one in the weapon, two more in pouches. These take up about as much space as a typical rifleman's loadout, and not weigh much more. This keeps the LMG mobile and flexible. He can carry more drums in his ruck if needed. He would also be assigned a #1 "A- gunner" who supports the weapon, and also carries extra ammo. If squad size allows, he could also have a #2 "A-gunner" with more ammo.
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Post by waffenmacht on Mar 12, 2015 12:20:04 GMT -5
Cause everyone loves video. 4 RPK's, an RPD and enough mud to make Vargo go tits up when he puts on the brakes!
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Post by 4track on Apr 9, 2015 23:35:57 GMT -5
....and now, you can get yourself your very own semi-auto FN Minimi / M249.
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 10, 2015 0:05:04 GMT -5
But disintegrating belt though...
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 10, 2015 6:13:00 GMT -5
But disintegrating belt though... And readily available as battlefield pick-ups! I've seen other converted semi-SAWs on gunbroker for about 7K. Given that I must have about 5K in my Ares-Shrike, that's probably not that bad of a deal.
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 10, 2015 10:54:16 GMT -5
BFPs aren't something I'd want to bank on...
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 10, 2015 11:08:02 GMT -5
True, but if you're building around something and neither option is for any other reason better or worse, being able to use someone elses gear, or steal it from their corpse is a bloody helpful thing, depending on the scale of the problem.
Chances are BFPs aren't going to happen, that's a fucking MASSIVE issue. But if you're working 5.56 and ARs, something like that is surely the better choice logistically (no idea on cost issues, mind you...) to feed it, or if it breaks using IT'S ammo to feed other things?
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 10, 2015 12:20:05 GMT -5
Correct. I can buy 5,000 links for about $100 delivered. I have about 10,000 links on hand. With the M-249 SAW, not only can I use BFP's, but I can also use any standard AR15 magazine. There are not any non-desentigrating belt feds made that can claim that (that I am aware of). So there are pro's and cons with desentigrating links vs non-desentigrating links. We have a MG53 and an RPD, both use non-desentigrating links and if one single link is damaged the complete belt is toast (this happens more often then one would think). It's always a trade-off, I personally don't see any super-advantage one way or the other. The M249, being able to feed from a standard AR15 magazine in a pinch, far outweighs the belt type it requires.
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 11, 2015 2:16:35 GMT -5
Jeez, I didn't know links could be had for that cheap! Shit, that's like 166 worth of 30 round mags, and for a lot less! Unless I'm mistaken, that ability to feed AR mags into the 249, had reliability issues associated with it. Perhaps that was just with earlier models? Can't wait to see the price tag on the FN 249S. Who wants to start a pool on it?
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 11, 2015 2:19:12 GMT -5
Chances are BFPs aren't going to happen, that's a fucking MASSIVE issue. But if you're working 5.56 and ARs, something like that is surely the better choice logistically (no idea on cost issues, mind you...) to feed it, or if it breaks using IT'S ammo to feed other things? That's why I sold my 5.45x39 AK, and used the funds to assemble an AR.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 11, 2015 4:20:05 GMT -5
Jeez, I didn't know links could be had for that cheap! Shit, that's like 166 worth of 30 round mags, and for a lot less! Unless I'm mistaken, that ability to feed AR mags into the 249, had reliability issues associated with it. Perhaps that was just with earlier models? Can't wait to see the price tag on the FN 249S. Who wants to start a pool on it? I've never handled an 'M249' as configured by the US. I have on the other hand played with the same bloody thing reconfigured slightly for the UK. I've never seen any issues with the magazine backup and it's often used as part of a course of fire, just to get people into the habit of using it so if they ever do NEED to use it, they've at least got some muscle memory of where it is. That said those models we took up weren't originals and they waited and let the US Army iron out the issues It is cheap, but they ARE disposable, so that's an ongoing cost as far as training wise. You might be able to reuse if you're a proper little pikey, but you're going to start introducing stoppages left right and centre that way. Definitely got potential though, assuming it's not $10Bn a pop...
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 11, 2015 12:21:19 GMT -5
Hell, with waffenmacht's hook-up, you could buy a metric shit-ton of the links ahead of time, and just use as necessary. For any range training, just make a big magnet on wheels and pick up the links afterwards.
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