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Post by USMC0331 on Aug 28, 2014 21:09:57 GMT -5
So I've been running 5-6lb milspec triggers since I built my carbines a few years ago and resisting the urge to upgrade to a Geissele for the following reasons:
1. $230-$250 EA 2. I like having all my triggers the same and while I only have 2 AR's, it's still a good chunk of change going out for "minimal" ROI? 3. I didn't want a crutch while learning to make shots at speed at distance this past year.
So the questions becomes, "why change now?" if you are able to make 600yd hits with the trigger you have now?
Answer... I'm thinking of putting just one in my 16" do it all gun that I will be depending on for 600yd hits to improve my odds of first round success. There is no denying that a "better" (light, crisp, consistently readable) trigger will improve hits at longer range, but it it really worth the $250 investment for even one gun? Is the 2 stage that big of a training issue coming from a single?
I'm sold on the SSA-E if I do purchase as it's non-adjustable, same curve I'm use to and not too light for QCB and has a proven track record in "working guns" from what I've read.
So I'd like to hear anyone’s opinion on the matter and if you are shooting a 2 stage what your experience has been coming from a MILSPEC design?
Please also hit the pole, thanks!
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 29, 2014 4:00:17 GMT -5
Didn't hit the poll, because I wouldn't have a clue, having never used anything other than the standard trigger they have in US, Canadian and UK issued ARs. My only question as to whether or not it's worth it would be: What else can you get for $250, that you don't have, that will improve your existence across the board? (For example; good set of waterproofs, warm kit etc - or spares for things you DON'T have more than one of. Something that will increase your ability to operate 365, rather than an upgrade for that 600m shot that you'll probably never take.)
I'm not saying don't get one, but what's WRONG with what you have now? At 600m chances are they've not seen you (and if they have, I would suggest if they're the wrong kind of people, they're engaging...) and you've got the opportunity to let them make your shot easier. If you had a full section I could see a benefit for the need to hit better out to that distance consistantly, but if it's just you, personally, I think there's better places to spend the dollar.
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Post by USMC0331 on Aug 29, 2014 4:48:01 GMT -5
Well the point would be that I'm only taking one shot and it needs to count. 600yards is the distance across the field to the road at my house.
It's also the range from OP I have selected to cutoff choke point into our community.
I think there is a place for distance shots in the defensive profile.
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 29, 2014 5:40:18 GMT -5
Well the point would be that I'm only taking one shot and it needs to count. 600yards is the distance across the field to the road at my house. It's also the range from OP I have selected to cutoff choke point into our community. I think there is a place for distance shots in the defensive profile. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Damn you and your huge open spaces Would it not be more profitable to employ that trigger in a distance specific rifle? Decent scope etc? (Not sure what you're running on your 'go to' rig right now..) DMR would be ideal for use in a defensive OP. Again, if you're running say a 4x scope then this might be a good choice. If not i would suggest the optic helps better than a fancy trigger (In my experience: SA80 has a shitty trigger, but you can hit nicely at 600-800m thanks to a solid optic.) Just thoughts!
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Aug 29, 2014 9:20:01 GMT -5
I want to Geissele my ARs when I get the chance (and hit the lottery!)
I had an SSA-E on my old SPRish rifle and it was excellent. It is a clear upgrade from a stock military trigger, particularly in that first-accurate-shot role you mention. The stock AR military trigger is not bad, but does not lend itself to accuracy work.
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Post by chuck on Aug 29, 2014 10:19:21 GMT -5
Other than years of experience on various stock triggers, to include the horrible three-round burst trigger on the issue M16A2 rifle and M4 carbine, I now have some limited experience with the SSA-E. The 2-stage trigger is SWEET. I've found that it is helpful for making careful, accurate shots. The short reset is also awesome for making rapid close range shots. I'm by no means an expert when it comes to triggers, but I have been very pleased with the purchase. BTW, you can definitely find them cheaper than the $230-$250 range you quote. I got mine on sale from Primary Arms for under $200 a few months ago. I believe they are on sale again this weekend. www.primaryarms.com/Sale_s/5169.htm
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Post by USMC0331 on Aug 29, 2014 14:32:59 GMT -5
@panzer, this is for my go to rifle. i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g399/cerakoter/Webshare/centurian16.jpgchuck, That's the info I was looking for. Not having shot a 2 stage was my biggest concern, wondering if I'd like it. I figure I can always sell an SSA-E if I don't but never see them for sale, which might be a clue? I'm working OT to save up now but might be able to convince the wife the sale is too good to pass up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 29, 2014 16:16:42 GMT -5
@usmc: fair enough then
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Aug 29, 2014 16:43:23 GMT -5
USMC: They're totally worth it. I sold mine in record time pretty much (shoulda kept the doggone thing!)
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Post by Diz on Aug 29, 2014 16:56:12 GMT -5
The new triggers are sweet, BUT, I want a mil-spec trigger that shoots pretty much like any other AR I may pick up and shoot. CMMG's LPK is pretty sweet, right out of the bag.
I know that's a tired old saw about staying mil-spec, but for what I'm doing it still holds true.
Of course, if you're just playing games, trick it out.
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Post by USMC0331 on Aug 29, 2014 17:17:03 GMT -5
Diz, "Playing games?" Come on dude, that's an old saw if I ever heard one. Even the .mil is not running MILSPEC anymore and using the same trigger. I'll let you in on secret... The "game" is whoever makes combat effective hits first wins! Period... Full stop. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 29, 2014 17:54:39 GMT -5
The new triggers are sweet, BUT, I want a mil-spec trigger that shoots pretty much like any other AR I may pick up and shoot. CMMG's LPK is pretty sweet, right out of the bag. I know that's a tired old saw about staying mil-spec, but for what I'm doing it still holds true. Of course, if you're just playing games, trick it out. Problem with Mil-Spec is that it's a minimum standard. There's a lot of civilian stuff that isn't tested, but if it was, it would surpass, by a country mile. TNVS did a very good youtube video about how basically all their civilian stuff is 'mil-spec', but they can't CALL it mil-spec without testing it as such, and that involves paying lots of money to the Army etc...
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Aug 30, 2014 8:40:15 GMT -5
I've got alot of time on the SSA and SSA-E. There Are in our work guns. No issues. I think they are worth it. I have broken a WC 2 stage TTU, and I've read about a lot of failures on WC triggers. I just picked up one of these and like it: www.warsport-us.net/CMC-Tactical-Flat-Trigger-WS00012.htm
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Aug 30, 2014 9:13:42 GMT -5
My take? Every gun's trigger is different anyway. If you got a battlefield pickup AK you'd have to readjust to it anyway... I personally like a good trigger and have had work done on several of my firearms to improve the triggers.
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Aug 30, 2014 9:53:14 GMT -5
Fundamentals apply to every platform. : )
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