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Post by omnivorous on Apr 6, 2015 13:02:38 GMT -5
Brit number 1 on the left, looks like he doesn't have any pouches mounted on his belt over his holster. Brit number 2 on right looks like he does have pouches mounted over top of his holster. I don't know I could be down with a Brit-style belt kit and a drop-leg holster, and I like drop-leg holsters. I have a Safariland holster, with their MLS forks mounted on it and the plates on my gear, respectively. So, it'll be a quick transition for the one holster, for the one pistol I have, between my two eventual sets of kits; foot and vehicle. I'd want to have the the holster on my belt, for the foot kit. I'll use the drop-leg for my vehicle kit, to clear the pouches on my tac vest. *edit Lol, "my tax vest."
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 6, 2015 14:04:19 GMT -5
Brit number 1 on the left, looks like he doesn't have any pouches mounted on his belt over his holster. Brit number 2 on right looks like he does have pouches mounted over top of his holster. I don't know I could be down with a Brit-style belt kit and a drop-leg holster, and I like drop-leg holsters. I have a Safariland holster, with their MLS forks mounted on it and the plates on my gear, respectively. So, it'll be a quick transition for the one holster, for the one pistol I have, between my two eventual sets of kits; foot and vehicle. I'd want to have the the holster on my belt, for the foot kit. I'll use the drop-leg for my vehicle kit, to clear the pouches on my tac vest. *edit Lol, "my tax vest." I know you guys don't like paying tax to the crown, but a vest set up to dodge tax collectors... too far
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 6, 2015 15:05:55 GMT -5
Can't stop me from making wilderness survival tax shelters, either!
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Post by protus on Apr 11, 2015 4:58:30 GMT -5
here is my belt. Nothing fancy but it works. Its also going through some changes ( as i changed areas and an injury). of course pictured with it is my UW 762ak rig.( the smaller pouches both hold CATs/Izzys and HH gauze) Belt- is a CPF90 hip belt. I chose this as its super padded and stiff and felt better to me than my older molle covered belt that was to floppy . left to right- 2 pistol mag pouches 1x hsgi ump- i may remove this but gives me the option to run a total of 6 mags. saw pouch- This holds my EE kit and other stuff )gloves, head cover etc)) tear away medical pouch. g81 knife Nade pouch- this holds a 4 inch izzy and a CAT eagle drop leg( may replace with a non drop leg, i run one strap and run it high).i carry a multitool in the mag pouch on it. The med pouch,UMP and EE kit may get moved around some. May add a dump pouch remove the EE kit as i carry a airmans style EE kit in my cargo pocket anyway when in the field. Again nothing fancy as yall will see im not a stickler on matching gear (my philosophy on camo is different than many these days) . Long as its earth toned IMHO it'll work. If not thats why the gear gods created krylon!
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 11, 2015 6:49:22 GMT -5
Out of interest, and if you don't mind sharing; What's the injury and what has it changed, and how it affects what you do? (TTPs, what gear you've got to compensate etc)
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Post by protus on Apr 11, 2015 9:19:29 GMT -5
Out of interest, and if you don't mind sharing; What's the injury and what has it changed, and how it affects what you do? (TTPs, what gear you've got to compensate etc) ripped a disk and herniation @ L4/5. End result is some nerve issues(cramps in my left leg and twitching in the same area along with numbness in my 3 outer toes on left foot and some foot drag)and well i aint 18 anymore LOL. Its mostly affected my strength but its always in the back of my mind of "what if..." it tanks. But im constantly working on it to maintain. Stretching ,work out,,losing weight. I run each day etc etc. movement wise flexiblity is off on the right side at times and of course i cant carry a 250lb guy on my shoulders lol the rest of me could but im pretty sure the framework would give. but it aint "put me to pasture yet" and i work at it so it doesnt. Gear wise my choices have went to more of a streamlined approach. Before my injury a typical fighting load for me was and still is if need be(more static though)- Tactical tailor mod vest(mesh like the old SAS vest ) loaded with 6 762 mags, IFAK,bleeder kit(CAT,IZZY) ,fighting knife. hydrocarrier on the back.Plus the above belt kit and assault ruck.Thats the condensed list. Before my injury i ran a HSGI warlord 6x762 mags,hydro carrier ,same medical,comms etc etc . However that rig was very front heavy and would fatigue my back ,so it got dumped for the vest set up. Which is what i consider my static/heavy rig. I then went with a modified 3 cell AK rig to lighten things up even more. Added fastecks for fast on off, it held 3 to 4 mags,cat,izzy,2xpistol mags and light/coms. Used a camelback MULE as my pack and the above belt. Problem was i still had tons of "stuff" in the gaps and the load wasnt balanced /felt right. So i went with the UW rig above, trimmed off the FAT more or less on it all. Besides what is shown there the rest goes in my cbak mule or BHI 3 day ruck or kelty falcon 4400 ruck for longer stays/colder weather. in short i just moved away from a 30++ lb vest/rig set up to a more modular /streamlined set up that i could tailor to my needs. on top of that i relocated to a different area , out to the sticks so my shtf ROE totally changed and with that so did my gear views. kind of evolution imho. give you an idea this was what i ran for a long time before switching over to molle/pals kit back in 06+ i got hurt in 2012 .. 38lbs of crap. and i had zero issue with it..now i cringe at it lol like i do when i look at my med alice pack vs my standard newer/modern rucks. these are the two kits i ran before getting hurt. top is the warlord and bottom the TT vest. its more balanced and rode better one reason i havent retired it yet.As you can see my belt kit was just getting started since most of my stuff was in the rigs. sorry for being long winded and derailing but figured itd help explain why im not running heavy like some do.
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 13, 2015 4:50:33 GMT -5
Revisiting the holster issue, here's a great, quick video on a few types of holster attach methods. For the record, Paul Howe's rule for a drop-leg holster is that when the shooter stands upright, he should be able to curl his fingers under the bottom of the holster. If he can't, it's too low.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 13, 2015 5:48:12 GMT -5
waffenmacht; When you say the bottom of the holster do you mean the VERY bottom (essentially holding ones hand in front of the barrel whilst remaining stood up?)
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 13, 2015 6:05:45 GMT -5
waffenmacht; When you say the bottom of the holster do you mean the VERY bottom (essentially holding ones hand in front of the barrel whilst remaining stood up?) Correct. That would be the means for measuring proper drop. This isn't just a Howe method, but it has been taught many times by many instructors...I just drop Howe's name because he also brought it up in my last class.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 13, 2015 6:08:08 GMT -5
Interesting. What's the thinking on that? I would have assumed that the only requirement would be to be able to reach the pistol grip and draw as carried?
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 13, 2015 6:14:11 GMT -5
Interesting. What's the thinking on that? I would have assumed that the only requirement would be to be able to reach the pistol grip and draw as carried? That's exactly why. The lower the weapon, the more difficult to get proper grip, draw, and the more time it takes to get from point A to being on target. Economy of motion. Plus, Excurrahee points out that the lower it is, the more problematic it is when running (which makes sense).
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Apr 13, 2015 6:17:44 GMT -5
I think Its about weight distribution on the legs. For me, the lower the weight, the harder (and more energy you have to use) to get that leg swinging to run, sprint, or generally move. A long hike with a low holster can place a lot of strain on the knees. Dropping a holster to clear body armor is a great method of carrying it, but I think a lot of people (who don't train) get lazy and drop it so low they 1) can't reach it in a variety of positions 2) can't move effectively with it.
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Post by winter on Jun 5, 2015 17:31:50 GMT -5
Ok, I think I finally have my shit the way I want it. L-R- new surplus USMC molle belt.UW 2 AR mag pouch, full flap. Condor admin pouch. 2 Spec-Ops 6mag/saw pouches. Blackjack AWAC (modded) in eagle combat sheath. UW 2 AR mag pouch. Outdoor Research first aid pouch (it will rip off if need be, USGI ALICE Y harness. It's balenced, light, and pretty comfy. I may put a dump pouch on the admin pouch at some point. I may change the harness too, but it works just fine with this load. I dropped the handgun. I could not balance the load with the handgun on the belt. I may get a drop leg or carry a much smaller handgun as a true backup piece, as opposed to a secondary weapon.
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Jun 5, 2015 23:14:30 GMT -5
Could the handgun go in an appendix position?
(I know some are comfortable with a primary and no easy accessible secondary, but I'm sure not. That said, your rig looks good and if you can rock it without the handgun and not feel naked like I would, by all means do so.)
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Jun 6, 2015 7:58:27 GMT -5
I think the handgun needs to be a personal choice. Me, being the med guy, I really feel safer with the handgun. Reason....if I am treating a wounded then my rifle will either be slug on my back, laying on the ground or up against cover. If its on the ground or up against cover I may be more then an arms length away from it. To be honest, even slung on my back, will take a while to bring it back into position to be effective. If you have never tried treating someone with your gear on and rifle slung, try it. It is not that easy, especially for some more advanced procedures, like IVs, certain airway stuff, etc. or if trying to stay low behind cover. If you have multiple wounds, then you may be moving from head to leg to treat. Being that my "patrol" may only be 2-4 guys at a time, I may or may not have cover ability from my team mates. Having that handgun makes me feel a bit safer. If I was in a big group, lets say 12-16 man patrol, I would leave my handgun off. So, I think of my handgun as a secondary-primary weapon if that makes sense, not a backup if my rifle goes belly up.
winter, your setup looks good. Have you trained with it yet? Let us know how it works....
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