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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 2, 2015 18:39:50 GMT -5
My take on the Kit Belt theme, didnt like it at all, previuos to this I had everything atached to an HSGI belt, ( to hot in summer and without the inner stiffener, to flimsy to hold the loaded pouches from sagging outboard ), so swichted to an old Bundeswehr Web belt modified with Cobra Buckle, works a bit better but it still isnt my cup of tea ( or is it a can of Guinnes..  ) nevermind I much preffer a Chest rig but with flaps covering every pouch ! Thats why I want a Minuteman MK III with sewn in pistol holster and double pistol mag. pouches in place of the MOLLE rows ... the rest of gear in backpack, this allows me to go from CCW to full kit just adding a chest rig and backpack, which balances de CH out pretty well. Just a question ( a dumb one I may say ) what kind of trousers belt do you all sport when using the Kit belt ?, no disconfort between trousers belt and kit belt ? that is another Reason why I could never get used to the kit belt thing ... But I am willing to read and learn and get educated by all of you Gentlemen. As far as too hot in summer; This is exactly why I hate chest rigs. Chest rig + backpack = upper body trapped heat. Even worse with 'vest' type rigs. If the belt you are using is too flimsy, there are better belts - The BEST belt kit is all stitched directly to the pad/belt setup. Makes for a much more secure rig. As far as trousers; Either well fitting ones or ones witha drawstring (CS95 had this), with no requirement to use a belt or you can find thin PT belts that won't interfere. For reference, especially with PLCE, if you don't put it together really well and make sure it's tight when it's built (using a variety of tips and tricks that would take hours of video to explain...) then when it's loaded and you move in it it will beat you to death slowly. Badly built webbing (through inexperience or poor equipment in the first place) is a trial. Makes for nice aggressive soldiers, though - By the time the enemy turns up they're angry as all hell and scratching to beat someone to death  |
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Post by winter on Mar 2, 2015 19:42:23 GMT -5
I wear LBE loose. There's no discomfort from the trouser belt if the LBe/PLCE (belt kit w/suspenders) is worn this way.
It's important to differentiate between battle belts designed to work with a chest rig and LBE/PLCE rigs that hold all your shit.
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Post by wesker on Mar 2, 2015 21:46:42 GMT -5
I couldn't get along with a full on belt kit either. Wearing it loose made it worse because I prefer everything is tight and moves as little as possible. I use a "battle belt" and then a chest rig. Fight from the belt. Resupply it from my chest rig.
Under it I just use a simple velcro belt. No buckles or related nonsense to interfer with the battle belt. I have worn it with normal pants belts as well and while not ideal it was serviceable.
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Post by Ernesto on Mar 3, 2015 7:58:22 GMT -5
Thank you Gentlemen, I am going to wait and see what our Hosts come up with, and try again !
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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 3, 2015 14:57:49 GMT -5
Ernesto Looking at the quality of the rest of their gear, and having some experience with custom webbing prior to now ('full weight', not so much 'battle belt' style) I think that it's definitely worth trying again, but you DO need a definite mission in mind using webbing. It's certainly annoying if you're working with vehicles a lot, but for long walks in the Ulu it's spot on.
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Post by johnlangdon on Mar 3, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -5
Ernesto - one of the major complaints I hear about the HSGI belt is that the neoprene tends to annoy people in warmer climates. They liken it to wearing an inner tube. I have an ATS War Belt that works great. It has a fairly thin profile. I use a good inner belt with it and haven't had any issues with gear flopping.
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Post by Ernesto on Mar 4, 2015 18:04:28 GMT -5
Ernesto Looking at the quality of the rest of their gear, and having some experience with custom webbing prior to now ('full weight', not so much 'battle belt' style) I think that it's definitely worth trying again, but you DO need a definite mission in mind using webbing. It's certainly annoying if you're working with vehicles a lot, but for long walks in the Ulu it's spot on. Well mission would be long treks up and down the hills in my avatars photo, ( just training in case I ever need to go full guerilla ... ), so far I always went light and fast, chest rig and backpack served me well, ... any way I studied the Rhodesian Light Infantry and the Selous Scouts and our climate and vegetation being similar to what used to be Rhodesia, I much went their Spartan way in regards to kit and clothing... |
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Post by Ernesto on Mar 4, 2015 18:12:50 GMT -5
Ernesto - one of the major complaints I hear about the HSGI belt is that the neoprene tends to annoy people in warmer climates. They liken it to wearing an inner tube. I have an ATS War Belt that works great. It has a fairly thin profile. I use a good inner belt with it and haven't had any issues with gear flopping. Yes Sir ! that is exactly what made me sell my Sure grip belt, and just mount the pouches to a standard Bundeswehr web belt... It is a bit more comfortable, but far from ideal, I really need some flapped pouches also, the Open pouches I have now don't give me confidence in the bush regarding loosing magazines and stuff, as for kit belt I am going to wait and see what comes out right here from our Hosts ... Thank you for your suggestions ! |
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 6, 2015 1:37:37 GMT -5
This is an interesting pic, posted on the soldiersystems.net blog, yesterday:  The guys with the belt kits are UK Pathfinders, training at Ft. Bragg. They are training rifle-to-pistol transitions. I wonder if the drop-leg holsters were the Brits' idea, or not? |
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 6, 2015 3:20:41 GMT -5
This is an interesting pic, posted on the soldiersystems.net blog, yesterday: The guys with the belt kits are UK Pathfinders, training at Ft. Bragg. They are training rifle-to-pistol transitions. I wonder if the drop-leg holsters were the Brits' idea, or not? drop leg holsters of various kinds have been the standard for us for decades; no room on belt kit. More recently you'll have seen blokes wearing the gear on a plate carrier, but this is pretty normal. Serpa holster looks like it'll be a PITA there, though. |
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Apr 6, 2015 6:59:21 GMT -5
drop leg holsters are not very comfortable for running or extended hikes. its additional weight you have to provide momentum to for sprinting, etc. I've had good experiences with a systems that still hangs off the belt but drop it lower to deconflict with body armor.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 6, 2015 7:08:31 GMT -5
Agreed - I don't know of anyone that LIKES them, but they're issued. I've seen a couple of REALLY HIGH riding drop legs that would work with a thinner belt gear, perhaps. Less sloshing about so hopefully less of a PITA as far as movement is concerned.
Pistols is very historically a driver/officer thing. Issuing 2 weapons to each soldier requires logistics, which is, quite frankly, the weak point of our military. The fighters are bloody brilliant, but we could learn some lessons from QMs from the US... Only problem is you've the CASH to do stores how you do.
I've seen US Tanks have whole engines removed because they didn't work, and fresh ones dropped in and the old one shipped somewhere to be looked at.
We'll remove the engine, find the problem, fix it and replace. Much cheaper, but takes a LOT longer. Same sort of issue as far as stores is concerned, and replacing gear.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 6, 2015 7:12:26 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see some method of holstering at belt height, behind other pouches (say smoke?) that didn't impede the draw and provided a near identical draw to just wearing trousers. Has anyone done this? Are there any issues if someone has already tried to do this cobbling MOLLE stuff together?
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Post by waffenmacht on Apr 6, 2015 10:20:55 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see some method of holstering at belt height, behind other pouches (say smoke?) that didn't impede the draw and provided a near identical draw to just wearing trousers. Has anyone done this? Are there any issues if someone has already tried to do this cobbling MOLLE stuff together? Happens all the time. Most all quality holsters have some type of MOLLE attachment that can be added, so they can be attached at belt level on a battle belt. Check out Jeremy on the left in this pic, he has a set up just like that on a HSGI battle belt, with pouches forward and aft:   |
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 6, 2015 11:22:55 GMT -5
Tidy.
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) nevermind I much preffer a Chest rig but with flaps covering every pouch !
