winter
Junior Member
Posts: 479
|
Post by winter on Nov 30, 2015 14:59:26 GMT -5
That looks like some very nice gear. Thanks for the suggestion.
|
|
|
Post by panzer0170 on Nov 30, 2015 18:12:59 GMT -5
It's pukka stuff. Saving up for some myself - Like a fool I got rid of my old Special 6 shirt. Best warm kit ever, and it's meant to go under any layers you might usually wear (fighting shirt, smock etc).
|
|
|
Post by DeadeyeD on Dec 7, 2015 23:42:59 GMT -5
For the record, I not only carry a full size duty pistol on my 2nd line gear, but I carry a compact concealed pistol of the same caliber in my 1st line gear.
|
|
|
Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Dec 8, 2015 6:37:37 GMT -5
For the record, I not only carry a full size duty pistol on my 2nd line gear, but I carry a compact concealed pistol of the same caliber in my 1st line gear. Could you expound on this? I got the second line pistol, but if I can ask, where do you conceal the smaller pistol on the first line? Maybe I am not sure what you run first line, and that would allow me to "see the light", lol. Thanks
|
|
|
Post by panzer0170 on Dec 8, 2015 8:33:04 GMT -5
For the record, I not only carry a full size duty pistol on my 2nd line gear, but I carry a compact concealed pistol of the same caliber in my 1st line gear. Could you expound on this? I got the second line pistol, but if I can ask, where do you conceal the smaller pistol on the first line? Maybe I am not sure what you run first line, and that would allow me to "see the light", lol. Thanks I reckon (might be wrong) that he swaps them out, not that he carries 2. So say a G19 on his jeans belt and then a G17 on his webbing, but ditches the G19 when he throws webbing on. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though
|
|
|
Post by panzer0170 on Dec 8, 2015 16:20:25 GMT -5
Coming from a training point of view, but asking about gear;
I notice BFG appears to sell the 'Ten Speed' magazines that are really soft and collapse near as damnit flat.
One of the things I've been trying to reconcile in my mind is a method of carrying consistently between EDC, '1st line' (or whatever you call it... shit you'll carry everywhere on a NOT normal day...) 2nd line etc.
From a training perspective if my magazine is in the same place in just a shirt and trousers, or the same place with a battlebelt etc then I'm going to have a lot more reps doing the same thing regardless of how I'm set up.
Let's say I want to go from wearing belt gear with 6+ magazines and other gear down to a recce loadout (So... A spare magazine, floppy hat and very little else, realistically) I'd like to be able to keep that magazine on the belt line. This seems to fit the bill - Something that will collapse down under the belt gear and hold what it needs to otherwise.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this as a valid idea, or does anyone have another method of acheiving the same result?
Cheers,
Panz
|
|
protus
Junior Member
Posts: 323
|
Post by protus on Dec 15, 2015 6:10:08 GMT -5
Pz. I started with belt /suspender style loads. Pistol reloads always on the belt. First grab rifle mags on my weak side. Fast forward 15 years. Chest rig holds the four rifle mags. On the battle belt on the weak side(my left)is pistol reloads and a rifle mag (or two -mission specific ). If i dump the chest rig my mags are where theyve been forever..if i run just a belt..mag is in the same spot.
Its take for ever to get used to chest rigs ...my mags have always been located mid hip from hip to hip across the midsection so to speak. So reaching up higher has taken time.
So the now battle belt craze has done nothing but come full circle imho for those who started with lc2 gear or the lbe style set ups from the 60-90s....
|
|
|
Post by panzer0170 on Dec 15, 2015 7:03:25 GMT -5
Pz. I started with belt /suspender style loads. Pistol reloads always on the belt. First grab rifle mags on my weak side. Fast forward 15 years. Chest rig holds the four rifle mags. On the battle belt on the weak side(my left)is pistol reloads and a rifle mag (or two -mission specific ). If i dump the chest rig my mags are where theyve been forever..if i run just a belt..mag is in the same spot. Its take for ever to get used to chest rigs ...my mags have always been located mid hip from hip to hip across the midsection so to speak. So reaching up higher has taken time. So the now battle belt craze has done nothing but come full circle imho for those who started with lc2 gear or the lbe style set ups from the 60-90s.... It never went anywhere in the UK. Carry enough weight and you'll always want it over the hips Just trying to reconcile belt kit which I like with a way of carrying that doesn't make me change how I would carry EDC.
|
|
|
Post by Ivarr Bergmann on Jun 4, 2016 7:40:41 GMT -5
Anyone that thinks they will have everything they need indefinitely is seriously mistaken. In times of peace and prosperity no one has what they need so what makes anyone think a collapse will be any different? Humans deep down are deceptive foul creatures programmed for self preservation. They plan and conspire their treachery as natural as bees fly from flower to flower. Its only when they are happy and full can they become docile, calm and complacent-and be somewhat predicable like every other creature. Anyone that says they are Morally Superior on top their moral high ground and would not steal or raid to get what they need (not to be mistaken for a WANT) and would rather sit and watch their child or family member die of cholera or some other infection because, "oh fudge!, the guy in the next camp just wont give up those darn antibiotics or meds we need, and we tried EVERYTHING the right way, so i guess that's that.. Jack and Judy you'll just have to die because taking things it just WRONG"- is simply lying and/or been reading too many fantasy survival books or forum BS. SURVIVAL IS SURVIVAL. Its not about morality and feelings and should certainly never be mistaken for PREPARATIONS. If you are prepared to handle said situation where the hard choices are it wouldn't be survival and NO ONE can cover everything. PREPARATIONS are not the same as survival nor do they guarantee survival. There will be a new food chain set up and when the hammer falls that we'll all be part of. The question is how deep will you be in it and what are you willing to do to SURVIVE when the inevitable time comes when all other options are lost.? You will do what you have to do. You will- Or you or someone else will die. Its as simple as that. See where cuddling the imaginary moral high-ground gets anyone. SURVIVAL is not about plundering to plunder, unless you're just a shit bag, but there will be plenty of plunderers on the hunt. You may find your group having to hunt them to stop them before they get you. You WILL plan to take the booty from your perceived conquest, right? Or is it morally moral to leave it? Get real.... Plunderers are a special kinda scum and another conversation. If you think its wrong to take what you need (again- not to be mistaken for a WANT) to survive when all else is lost-KILL YOURSELF WHEN THE HAMMER DROPS- Just get it the fuk over with.. If someone claims they would die for someone they love-well you better man up and say you will raid and steal for them when you HAVE to too..
Your in a gun fight and the guy is reloading and you got the drop on him: You gonna wait till he re-loads so its a even fight or you gonna end his air? That's what I thought.. That's survival
Everyone has an obligation and a duty to do their best for yourself/family but in a total collapse you're gonna have to fight to survive until the culling is over and a new order is restored somehow. Even that restored peace will be transitional for many of us as groups and leaders are thinned out for one reason or another. Get use to that idea. I don't care who you are or where you're at. If there are ppl that can -at the very least- walk to you and find where you are- you will get handled at some point. Sometimes you may have to handle them first to preserve what you have. You will have something someone else doesn't and that goes both ways. I might be security. Doesn't have to be materials. Even wanting a group of Marauders dead for your own safety and security is still going to be seen by some as just being another Marauder group plundering. Especially by the ppl the Marauders are supporting with their plunders..Its kinda like the saying 'one mans terrorist is another man freedom fighter..' - Even in politics everyone thinks their view is justified and their actions are warranted. Add that same irrational thought process to hungry and desperate ppl and you get a big fat stinky mess..If anyone is expecting clear lines drawn from fear induced opinions, or crystal clear distinctions of civil order like before the hammer fell-FORGET IT..
Unless you find an abandoned town thats untouched, full of stocks and you are the last family on earth, then this wont apply to you..
Ivarr
|
|