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Post by winter on Nov 23, 2015 17:38:00 GMT -5
I have run into so many people over the years that think it's ok to do whatever is necessary to survive. They think force is more important than preparation. They are people of low moral courage.
These people disgust me so much that my mind subconsciously "hunts" for them so I can scold them for their douchebaggery.
I'm glad you are not one of those, Panzer.
It's what people do when things get bad that show who they really are. Now, even a self righteous asshole like me may have my humanity descend into darkness in the face of crisis, but it's important to attempt to maintain a high moral standard as it will slow the rate of descent and make the restoration of civilization an easier task.
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 23, 2015 17:44:07 GMT -5
No worries mate. It's probably why we disagree over the whole refugee thing. I'm probably a little bit more righteous asshole about that than you are this - Same story goes. If we don't AIM to try and include then we never CAN, and we have defeated before we start. Considering giving way somewhere in between does not mean you are going to, but it's always something to consider.  You're a ballbag by the way. Now who wants a beer? |
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Post by Erick on Nov 23, 2015 18:46:12 GMT -5
Eeeasy Fellas |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 23, 2015 18:46:57 GMT -5
So, back to the original post? For me, the belt is where the weight should be carried. Given the opportunity I would go with the following (soon to purchase for big army soldiering, and we'll see how they sulk at me...) Belt (w/ yoke. I can't call them suspenders. If anything they're braces. Suspenders are for women to wear to trick me into bed!) with (left to right) 2x Triple mag pouches. 3x '58 pattern utility pouches. SOTech VFIFAK on the right side with (For big army smoke and frag, but...) a pistol holster & a knife (practical rather than tactical). Util pouches likely to have very mission specific gear (poncho? warm kit? water? NVG? Radio? Phone?). All of this added to a sabre 45 carrying 'sustainment gear'. Sabre 65 for winter. Someone ask me why so I can remember to explain my current hiking load that will convert directly to tac. skills. Might even chuck a chest rig on to go heavy (more ammo to my front). Not a fan of armour unless it's crazy light (AR500 Micro w/ 8x10" UHMWPE is relatively interesting...) What am I missing?  |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 23, 2015 18:47:14 GMT -5
Eeeasy Fellas We hugged and made up |
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Nov 23, 2015 23:56:10 GMT -5
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Post by whitebear620 on Nov 23, 2015 23:56:10 GMT -5
I understand that your plans may involve walking everywhere Panzer, but I am curious. How is it trying to into a vehicle with your belt kit? Or is it just one of those "take it off, set it next to you things"?
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 24, 2015 1:34:48 GMT -5
I understand that your plans may involve walking everywhere Panzer, but I am curious. How is it trying to into a vehicle with your belt kit? Or is it just one of those "take it off, set it next to you things"? Belt kit and vehicles is shit. For this reason a bandoleer can be handy to wear inside vehicles, or a chest rig. More thoughts: This is why I am leaning towards a very slim chest rig, likely with little to no other gear on it (blow out gear should be on you, not in a chest rig or a set of belt kit. Extra/easier access stuff on those peices of gear is acceptable though!) maybe 2 pistol, 3 rifle mags and MAYBE something small on the right hand side? that can stay on for 99% of tasks, and even in the assault you could drop belt kit if needs be to shed weight (or get free of entanglement, or whatever) and still have a fighting capability. (belt kit + stuff like CTR = no go, but you could get away with a VERY low profile rig....) That said, the bandoleer suits my needs and keeps reloads in a pretty similar place over my left hip in relation to where magazines USUALLY come from... |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 28, 2015 5:32:37 GMT -5
winter; What are your gear considerations for Alaska in (hah!) Winter? How/where do you concealed carry (do you even bother to conceal?) What extra gear to you carry? What gear do you ditch? Moreso interested in 'EDC' stuff, but any pointers for full on Tac. would work too. Do you have to change anything up for using gloves that allow you to retain the use of your hands? Are there any things you just have to suck it up and accept (ie. you ARE going to be slower because of the conditions and the gear you have etc..?)
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Post by winter on Nov 28, 2015 19:27:18 GMT -5
winter ; What are your gear considerations for Alaska in (hah!) Winter? How/where do you concealed carry (do you even bother to conceal?) What extra gear to you carry? What gear do you ditch? Moreso interested in 'EDC' stuff, but any pointers for full on Tac. would work too. Do you have to change anything up for using gloves that allow you to retain the use of your hands? Are there any things you just have to suck it up and accept (ie. you ARE going to be slower because of the conditions and the gear you have etc..?) Well, I live in SE Alaska which is a temperate rainforest with 200 inches on rain a year. Winter here is usually 35-45 degrees and rain. Real rubber rain gear is the only thing that works. The Army's ECWS gear only keeps you dry for about 4-6 hours depending on brush and how often you go prone. You see, wet brush rubs water onto you in such a way that is doesn't bead up. It saturates the goretex. Wearing full rubber raingear forces you to travel slow enough so that you do not sweat. If you sweat under the raingear enough to get wet, you need to pack an entire change of polypropylene undies or your ass will just die of hypothermia in the night. For camping, you can simply slow down. In a martial situation you will carry the change of poly's regardless of whether you are on patrol or overnighting it. A quality sleeping bag is a must. Real tarps are a must. My silnylon tarp that lives in my ruck is not waterproof past 4 hours so I only carry it as a windbreak, temp shelter, and emergency skiff repair. I don't carry a firearm all the time. Usually, a have a 9mm CZ in a bag in the truck/Jeep. When I do carry on person, I wear a high ride belt holster for a 1911 and I don't care if it's seen or not or a .22 pistol in my jacket pocket. I'm currently in the market for a snubby .38 that is easier to carry Other EDC stuff is a large folder (CS Chinook), SOG powerpliers, and a small streamlight flashlight. I do not own a cell phone. Gloves. My hands stay warm, but I wear thin gloves almost all the time in the woods and when I work (construction). I keep old army wool gloves as overgloves over the skinny nylon work gloves. You are right, I will be slower, and I don't see it as an inconvenience at all. Slow is quieter and saves my energy for when I need it. |
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Nov 29, 2015 8:26:43 GMT -5
winter...."Well, I live in SE Alaska" ...... anywhere near Ketchikan? I was up there last year and said if I were to move to Alaska, it would have to be near Ketchikan as I would be coming from Florida. Beautiful country Alaska is....beautiful! My wife and I want to make it back someday...soon I hope. Interesting report on the going prone with the goretex. Thanks....
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Post by winter on Nov 29, 2015 15:03:03 GMT -5
I do live in Ketchikan about 15 miles north of downtown.
On the wool gloves. Most people reading that will think I've lost my mind and wonder why I don't have some massive high speed winter gloves. The reason is because they are going to get wet inside no matter how much money you spend on gloves. It does not matter what you do, your gloves will get wet and the wool just needs to be wrung out and still maintains about half of its insulating power soaking wet. I also keep my hands and feet warm. When they start to feel cold, I stop what I'm doing and warm them up.
There's no fucking charging through the hypothermia jungle.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Nov 29, 2015 16:25:33 GMT -5
True of the hypothermia and I would add the hyperthermia jungles. When you think something is wrong it usually is too late when dealing with these two problems. Having clues like what winter mentions is key....being ahead of heat or cold emergencies is key to survival. |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 29, 2015 18:10:21 GMT -5
winter ; What are your gear considerations for Alaska in (hah!) Winter? How/where do you concealed carry (do you even bother to conceal?) What extra gear to you carry? What gear do you ditch? Moreso interested in 'EDC' stuff, but any pointers for full on Tac. would work too. Do you have to change anything up for using gloves that allow you to retain the use of your hands? Are there any things you just have to suck it up and accept (ie. you ARE going to be slower because of the conditions and the gear you have etc..?) Well, I live in SE Alaska which is a temperate rainforest with 200 inches on rain a year. Sounds like Wales. More rain but less open so something equivalent. Winter here is usually 35-45 degrees and rain. Real rubber rain gear is the only thing that works. The Army's ECWS gear only keeps you dry for about 4-6 hours depending on brush and how often you go prone. You see, wet brush rubs water onto you in such a way that is doesn't bead up. It saturates the goretex. Yep. Have seen this happen in the UK.Wearing full rubber raingear forces you to travel slow enough so that you do not sweat. If you sweat under the raingear enough to get wet, you need to pack an entire change of polypropylene undies or your ass will just die of hypothermia in the night. For camping, you can simply slow down. In a martial situation you will carry the change of poly's regardless of whether you are on patrol or overnighting it. A quality sleeping bag is a must. Real tarps are a must. Definitely agree. As much as I like lightweight, the issued poncho is bombproof thick, self repairing and plenty big enough to actually keep me dry. My silnylon tarp that lives in my ruck is not waterproof past 4 hours so I only carry it as a windbreak, temp shelter, and emergency skiff repair. I don't carry a firearm all the time. Usually, a have a 9mm CZ in a bag in the truck/Jeep. When I do carry on person, I wear a high ride belt holster for a 1911 and I don't care if it's seen or not or a .22 pistol in my jacket pocket. I'm currently in the market for a snubby .38 that is easier to carry Excellent. I did wonder if CCW with warm clothing is even doable, pocket carry in your outer layer makes sense.Other EDC stuff is a large folder (CS Chinook), SOG powerpliers, and a small streamlight flashlight. I do not own a cell phone. Gloves. My hands stay warm, but I wear thin gloves almost all the time in the woods and when I work (construction). I keep old army wool Wool is king.gloves as overgloves over the skinny nylon work gloves. You are right, I will be slower, and I don't see it as an inconvenience at all. Slow is quieter and saves my energy for when I need it. An excellent perspective on it. So long as you're aware and factor it in! I must admit I was expecting advice about snow, but now I think about it if you're coastal you're never going to get 'proper' winter like the inner continent does. Makes sense that for the most part it's like shitty UK weather.Thanks for the reply. Definitely some considerations for me. |
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Post by winter on Nov 30, 2015 3:35:58 GMT -5
"if you're coastal you're never going to get 'proper' winter like the inner continent does." Funny thing though, you go over a ridge or follow a valley inland and the snow gets deeper exponentially. We do, on rare occasion, get very deep snow. In 08 or 09 we received 48" of snow in 3 days. Here is a sunny spring day at 400 ft elevation about 1/2 mile into the island.. Hadn't been snow at seas level for a month or two at this point. Going inland and up has it's challenges.  |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 30, 2015 13:35:41 GMT -5
winter : I stand corrected You any experience with Buffalos (clothing) You might find you have a use for them that will make them SHINE. Buffalo Mountain Shirt The only time I've been up a mountain, in 40-50mph winds, genuinely soaked through to the skin (these aren't, and were never intended to be, waterproof - waterproofs will stop the magical effect they have) and not cared TOO much (my face cared, my legs cared, and my hands cared...) This is THE snivel gear of choice for the British, because very rarely are you allowed to wear waterproofs (usually well after you're wet through anyway, and goretex is shite if you're active) and it has an 'active' effect similar to wool. Pretty demo video: Definitely a consideration, might be of some use to you! (They even do them in 'normal people' colours.)
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