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Post by johnlangdon on May 5, 2015 15:00:31 GMT -5
Just can't fondle it next to your face or shoulder...cuz that's illegal.
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Post by 4track on May 5, 2015 22:10:38 GMT -5
How's that? I had to resize the image. Looks great! What can are you using? |
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Post by johnlangdon on May 6, 2015 7:41:12 GMT -5
4track - I'm using a YHM Phantom M2 .30 cal. I use it on my .308 as well.
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Post by 4track on Sept 11, 2015 13:42:05 GMT -5
For anyone using the Shockwave Technoligies Blade Stabilizer, I have found that a plastic end cap can be used to close off the open receiver extension end of the blade stabilizer.  From my local hardware store, I acquired some 1 1/2" plastic end caps.  While the 1 1/2" outer diameter is a good match for the blade stabilizer's inner diameter, the caps have three flanges, which will prevent the caps from fitting all of the way into the blade stabilizer.  With my pocket knife, I simply trim down most (but not all) of the flanges' plastic, testing the fit in my blade stabilizer as I go, until I get the desired flush fit.  These caps achieve two things, for me. For one, they give some extra protection to the (somewhat brittle) plastic of the blade stabilizer, when the AR pistol is stood up on its end, like a rifle on its stock. The caps also turn the empty cavity of the blade stabilizer (which can vary in size, depending on which position the user has the stabilizer set at on the receiver extension) into a storage space for set of ear plugs, or other small items. Just remember to keep the items in a baggie, so that they do not get soaked with oil.  |
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Post by matt on Sept 15, 2015 14:48:53 GMT -5
Good tip 4track.
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Post by fox on Nov 3, 2015 16:05:42 GMT -5
For what I have in both of them, I could have built a nice one, but I got the first one just for fun really, and it turned out to be more than I thought it would. Took time to get used to shooting three point, but it's pretty decent out to about 100yds. Longer than that and I have to really take my time and concentrate to group the way I like. Course follow up shots aren't like with an SBR. I liked it so much ,I got tired of going out to the truck to get it to shoot, so I cloned another one for the house. Radical Firearms built them, and so far not a hiccup. No wolf ammo yet though. There are rounds out there that will perform well in the 10.5", and most of the function related issues have been figured out for a while.  |
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 3, 2015 16:44:56 GMT -5
fox; When do we get video of you dual wielding these John Woo style?
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Post by whitebear620 on Nov 11, 2015 18:02:22 GMT -5
Hey Fox,
How are you finding your AR pistols now? I've been thinking about getting one for my first AR because I'm in very much an urban/suburban AO and was wondering about they compare in comfort of shooting to a standard AR carbine. Was actually looking at the Radical Firearms one because the price is sweet and haven't seen any bad reports so far. I'm interested in the 10.5" one.
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Post by matt on Nov 11, 2015 19:29:24 GMT -5
Hey Fox, How are you finding your AR pistols now? I've been thinking about getting one for my first AR because I'm in very much an urban/suburban AO and was wondering about they compare in comfort of shooting to a standard AR carbine. Was actually looking at the Radical Firearms one because the price is sweet and haven't seen any bad reports so far. I'm interested in the 10.5" one. I am not whitebear620 so I guess this is probably some unsolicited advice (and I know how much everyone loves unsolicited advice). I own a couple of AR pistols and I believe they serve a purpose in the armed civilian's battery. But... I wouldn't suggest an AR pistol as your first and potentially only AR-15. It really is hard to beat something like a 16" barrel with mid-length (carbine is fine too, just use enough buffer) for general utility. While today's quality 10.5"-12.5" barrels are very reliable, they still give up something to a longer gas system. The 16" barrel also comes closer to maximizing the 5.56 cartridge which means you have more options when choosing a round. Unfortunately, I believe there is still a perception issue with AR pistols that may cause trouble. You shouldn't care too much what the police or other authorities might think about a legally owned firearm but it is at least part of the entire decision making process. Every time I post a picture of an AR pistol for JTT, there are comments like... "Hey cool, what kind of stock is that?" Questions like these show that, even a lot of "gun people" don't really get the distinction between and SBR and a pistol. If I could only have 1 AR or I planned to have multiple ARs but needed to start somewhere, my recipe would be simple. 16" mid-length barrel in a lighter than normal profile like a "pencil" barrel, 11-13" extended rail, Aimpoint or TA33 ACOG, back up sights, sling, light. The barrel is the best place to take weight out of the system. An extended rail is a rifleman's best friend since it maximizes the ways you can hold the rifle and makes things like shooting off cover/barricades easier. Aimpoints and ACOGs are dead reliable. Back up sights, lights, and slings are self-explanatory. A carbine like this would be light, controllable, easy to live with, and useful in all situations where a rifle could be useful where as an AR pistol is more limited in application. Although I have to admit, AR pistols are a ton of fun and, properly built, are very versatile/effective. Good luck deciding! |
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Nov 11, 2015 19:48:04 GMT -5
Having 4 AR's one of which is a pistol AR, I would highly agree with Matt. Get a full size 16"er and then if you "want" a pistol build get it next. I love my "little pony" but my 16"er would be my MBR when TSHTF. The other one now belongs to my son and my fourth one is becoming a DMR, although I picked up a Rem 700 .223 that was set up by my AF sniper friend, and it hits dime size at 100yds, even by me.
Like Matt said, I am only offering unsolicited advice as well. You have to do what you feel is best for you.
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Post by whitebear620 on Nov 11, 2015 20:15:25 GMT -5
The main reason I am looking into an AR pistol for my first AR is because of my AO and situation. While I don't live in a place like Tampa with skyscrapers, I still live in the suburban area, I also may have to work in and around vehicles. Another factor is portability, like being able to fit in a day pack for transport when not openly armed, obviously you could do this with separating upper and lower but it would be nice to not have to do that. I also won't make my full decision until I actually get to fire one, probably go to the local range when I have money for the purchase saved up and try one out.
Thank you for the thought points, a lot to think about as usual.
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Post by matt on Nov 12, 2015 12:59:53 GMT -5
The main reason I am looking into an AR pistol for my first AR is because of my AO and situation. While I don't live in a place like Tampa with skyscrapers, I still live in the suburban area, I also may have to work in and around vehicles. Another factor is portability, like being able to fit in a day pack for transport when not openly armed, obviously you could do this with separating upper and lower but it would be nice to not have to do that. I also won't make my full decision until I actually get to fire one, probably go to the local range when I have money for the purchase saved up and try one out. Thank you for the thought points, a lot to think about as usual. Right on. I commend you for thinking through these issues in far more depth than most folks who are considering an investment like this. There are always compromises to make when choosing a firearm since a perfect one hasn't been made yet. I would advise that you think carefully about where you compromise. For instance, 16" barrels can be used in and around vehicles (training can help here, even if it just dry fire in your garage) and they will be useful in every other situation. So, the 16" barrel is a lower risk compromise since it will still work in the situations you describe. However, there is no way to make an 11.5" barrel perform like a 16" barrel ballistically speaking. Ammo choice can mitigate some of the performance issues but not completely. This is a higher risk compromise since there is no easy work around or training fix. You seem to be concerned with shootability and I think you are right to be. Our ATF overlords have stated that AR-15 pistols are only pistols if they never contact a shoulder. The moment they touch a shoulder, the clock strikes midnight, and your pistol magically transforms into an illegal SBR. This effectively limits the shootability of the AR pistols since you may not (not can not) obtain a shoulder weld with them. A 16" carbine renders all this moot and will be eminently more shootable. If you do go with an AR pistol, choose the most effective and shootable package you can put hands on. Consider going 11.5" or longer to maximize dwell time/reliability. Make sure you have enough hand guard to mount your light and sling in a way that works. Choose a muzzle device that won't beat you up to badly in the locals that you describe. Finally, choose the most shootable brace setup you can find (I think it is still hard to beat the SB15). Good luck whitebear! |
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Nov 12, 2015 18:43:35 GMT -5
The main reason I am looking into an AR pistol for my first AR is because of my AO and situation. While I don't live in a place like Tampa with skyscrapers, I still live in the suburban area, I also may have to work in and around vehicles. Another factor is portability, like being able to fit in a day pack for transport when not openly armed, obviously you could do this with separating upper and lower but it would be nice to not have to do that. I also won't make my full decision until I actually get to fire one, probably go to the local range when I have money for the purchase saved up and try one out. Thank you for the thought points, a lot to think about as usual. I built an AR pistol and decided on a 12.5 barrel for reliability reasons... once it was all said and done, my 14.5 pinned AR was about an inch longer than my pistol build. so maybe look down that route. my BCM 14.5 mid length recoils like a .22 and has been really reliable despite the weird gas system/barrel length combo. |
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Post by johnlangdon on Nov 19, 2015 16:30:45 GMT -5
10.5" pistol. This is a better fit for my vehicle than the 12.5". PSA, once again, had a killer deal on uppers.  |
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Post by fox on Dec 5, 2015 23:10:09 GMT -5
Hey Fox, How are you finding your AR pistols now? I've been thinking about getting one for my first AR because I'm in very much an urban/suburban AO and was wondering about they compare in comfort of shooting to a standard AR carbine. Was actually looking at the Radical Firearms one because the price is sweet and haven't seen any bad reports so far. I'm interested in the 10.5" one. I am not whitebear620 so I guess this is probably some unsolicited advice (and I know how much everyone loves unsolicited advice). I own a couple of AR pistols and I believe they serve a purpose in the armed civilian's battery. But... I wouldn't suggest an AR pistol as your first and potentially only AR-15. It really is hard to beat something like a 16" barrel with mid-length (carbine is fine too, just use enough buffer) for general utility. While today's quality 10.5"-12.5" barrels are very reliable, they still give up something to a longer gas system. The 16" barrel also comes closer to maximizing the 5.56 cartridge which means you have more options when choosing a round. Unfortunately, I believe there is still a perception issue with AR pistols that may cause trouble. You shouldn't care too much what the police or other authorities might think about a legally owned firearm but it is at least part of the entire decision making process. Every time I post a picture of an AR pistol for JTT, there are comments like... "Hey cool, what kind of stock is that?" Questions like these show that, even a lot of "gun people" don't really get the distinction between and SBR and a pistol. If I could only have 1 AR or I planned to have multiple ARs but needed to start somewhere, my recipe would be simple. 16" mid-length barrel in a lighter than normal profile like a "pencil" barrel, 11-13" extended rail, Aimpoint or TA33 ACOG, back up sights, sling, light. The barrel is the best place to take weight out of the system. An extended rail is a rifleman's best friend since it maximizes the ways you can hold the rifle and makes things like shooting off cover/barricades easier. Aimpoints and ACOGs are dead reliable. Back up sights, lights, and slings are self-explanatory. A carbine like this would be light, controllable, easy to live with, and useful in all situations where a rifle could be useful where as an AR pistol is more limited in application. Although I have to admit, AR pistols are a ton of fun and, properly built, are very versatile/effective. Good luck deciding! Couldn't have put it better myself. The AR pistols function well within their limitations, but I would never reccommend one over a carbine. You might research .223/5.56 ammo performance. It will give you some understanding of what is needed when you drop the barrel length down and loose velocity. They make bullets that perform for the pistols, but you shift from fragmentation to looking for expansion. And the effective range is far less. As far as shooting them, for me they are closer to shooting a bow than a rifle |
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