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Post by Erick on Feb 24, 2015 17:50:26 GMT -5
For me, wearing even earthy coloured 'tactical/practical' clothing doesn't work all the time. Assuming I end up in the same job in the US and the school is similar, I will be wearing a suit and tie. For 'operational' use, I think it is important that ALL clothing is practical, and ideally constructed the same. It's also important, in my mind, to think of the psychological effect. For me, I would want camo for operational tasking, but I'd want a similar set of earthy/green stuff for 'down time'. The psychological effect of distinguishing between the two is amazing. You're still capable, and would, fight in your dull simple clothes. But when you're wearing camo it's business time. I think that's a valid point. Putting on the camies would be a go-time switch. There is also the psychological effect upon and group of would-be looters and other ne're do wells, of seeing a group of dudes and dudettes who are switched-on and in obviously uniform standards of equipment. If everyone has done their part, their bearing and comportment, combined with the para-military image camies have, will definitely put forth a don't eff with this group kind of presentation. I'm not talking about fronting, but the real-deal image presented by serious folks, who are not going to be made victims in whatever bad times scenario this is occurring. Omni: Exactly. Fuck the "grey man" bullshit, unless you need to keep a low profile to avoid law enforcement it's "dont look like prey" in SHTF. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 24, 2015 19:36:58 GMT -5
BTW those guys HAD to do kneeling vs prone in many instances to be able to shoot over the grass and undulation of terrain. Off topic for this thread, but bears repeating as I've pointed out in other threads/videos before.... I laugh at all these guys who complain that they cant get "low enough" to the ground with a 30 rnd mag in the rifle, or because of their gear or whatever... The vast majority of the time, you'll be up much higher than what a 30 rnd mag or your gear puts you, because in the real world, there is all kinds of stuff in the way and you HAVE to be up at least somewhat, to even see what your shooting at. Things like grass, bushes, ditches, and all kinds of other things exist in the real world. Unlike a nice flat manicured square range......... |
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Post by winter on Feb 24, 2015 20:22:03 GMT -5
After a weekend of training, I'd say the fact nobody got accidentally shot during the live fire equates to "doing extremely well".
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Post by rmplstlskn on Feb 24, 2015 22:58:45 GMT -5
Yeah, not too many get close and personal to all that cactus for concealment... :-)
Most real-world civvie class I have seen. Not sure of scenario, but lots of rounds popping off, not a lot of targeted aiming, seems like a lot of general direction aiming. I suspect that if their buddies or family members were TRULY under fire, the flankers would be a lot more motivated in their speed...
No doubt, any camo is better than no camo or earth tones...
Try taking away the required tactical ball cap... Go ahead. LOL! Maybe seeing video like this will change that? At least no tactical yellow visor.... (as if he will see this here.... haha)
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Post by omnivorous on Feb 25, 2015 1:00:51 GMT -5
BTW those guys HAD to do kneeling vs prone in many instances to be able to shoot over the grass and undulation of terrain. Off topic for this thread, but bears repeating as I've pointed out in other threads/videos before.... I laugh at all these guys who complain that they cant get "low enough" to the ground with a 30 rnd mag in the rifle, or because of their gear or whatever... The vast majority of the time, you'll be up much higher than what a 30 rnd mag or your gear puts you, because in the real world, there is all kinds of stuff in the way and you HAVE to be up at least somewhat, to even see what your shooting at. Things like grass, bushes, ditches, and all kinds of other things exist in the real world. Unlike a nice flat manicured square range......... If you really have to get that flat, like you're having to shoot under a vehicle or something, turn the damn gun sideways and point shoot their feet! |
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Post by Diz on Feb 26, 2015 9:31:37 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. I don't agree with everything Max says or does, but they're doing a hell of a job with what they have. Winter is absolutely spot on with his criticisms, not knowing what is being pre-briefed or "gamed" for training purposes only.
Reminds me of my first platoon of grunts. I set up some locations for individual squad training. One squad in defense, one in offense. After some dry runs, I had the squad in offense take some runs at the squad in defense with blank fire. After each run I'd give each squad leader some pointers and we'd run them again, and then switch positions. After it was all said and done, one of my squad leaders asked me why we were running frontal assaults on this position, when we had a perfectly good covered and concealed flank to launch a single envelopment? And you know, he was absolutely right. In my haste to set up training and demonstrate the frontal assault, I hadn't really analyzed the terrain and seen this. I was narrow-mindedly sticking to my training schedule, trying to cover pre-set learning objectives. You can always count on good NCO's to keep you honest. That's what I think Winter is doing here. Officers are trying to cover training objectives; NCO's are gonna keep you honest by pointing out "opportunities for improvement". Good officers are gonna learn by it; bad ones are gonna ignore it.
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Post by Diz on Feb 26, 2015 13:41:37 GMT -5
Yeah too funny, I made a rig for that "Yellow hat" fella back in the day. He didn't think too much of it, go figure. Too true, I don't think any of those dudes would ever find this place. Too busy preening for each other on the hobby websites. Wouldn't been caught dead at one of these "tinhat" websites.
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 26, 2015 13:56:28 GMT -5
Yeah too funny, I made a rig for that "Yellow hat" fella back in the day. He didn't think too much of it, go figure. Too true, I don't think any of those dudes would ever find this place. Too busy preening for each other on the hobby websites. Wouldn't been caught dead at one of these "tinhat" websites. Yeah....old yellow hat.....lol. Of course they wont come here. For the reasons you stated, but also because they are too wrapped up in their kool kid gun games training, etc. All this SUT, Team skills, real world Patrolling crap is just bogus in their world......... |
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Post by winter on Feb 26, 2015 14:27:24 GMT -5
Hahaha, that video...hahaha It's difficult to understand the importance of practicing patrolling. Most people think it is just walking in the woods and doesn't need to be practiced. ETA- Get off the trail.  |
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Post by rmplstlskn on Feb 26, 2015 14:31:45 GMT -5
Funny video!
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Post by omnivorous on Feb 26, 2015 15:15:44 GMT -5
Perfect idea for a UW Gear Inc morale patch, "Do you even patrol, bro?"
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 26, 2015 16:53:02 GMT -5
Is that Diz Lungdren right at the start of that video? Do you have a necklace made of ears?  |
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 26, 2015 16:56:34 GMT -5
ETA- Get off the trail. Lets see if I can esplain dis.... Where this is at, our little playground, you can get off the trail, or, you can take pictures and video. You CANNOT do both. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 26, 2015 16:57:38 GMT -5
Is that Diz Lungdren right at the start of that video? Do you have a necklace made of ears? We don't talk about these things..........  |
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Post by hudson5969 on Feb 27, 2015 1:54:45 GMT -5
Observation: From what I've seen, breaking up your outline with different camo patterns is a good idea. People can pick up a "blob" of camo if it does not exactly match the terrain. I generally try really hard to not have all my gear the same pattern.
Question: at what range do you consider camo to lose its effect? At some point, the eye will not be able to distinguish a pattern, and it will "blend" to a dominant color. At what distance does camo not become a big issue?
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