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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Dec 6, 2014 8:23:38 GMT -5
I'll add this: if you find yourself thinking that you agree with the paradigm Mosby forsees, and you want to be a worthwhile part of it, then this would be the baseline.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Dec 6, 2014 8:35:49 GMT -5
Remember fitness doesn't alway need to be driven because you'll be doing mil type missions. If the balloon goes up we all will be doing things that we don't have to do today, e.g., chopping wood, lifting heavy objects, maybe building shelters or redoing shelters, etc. An overall level of fitness will be needed to perform those tasks to help keep you from getting injured. As @eddiewouldbehot stated not all persons will be fighters, some will just be protecting their families. Although, everyone will be doing more manual labor. Injuring your back that puts you down may mean that your retreat will be an easier target for looters and could put your family in danger.
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Post by Diz on Dec 6, 2014 8:53:57 GMT -5
I had a glimpse into a no-shit retreat operation yesterday. All I can say is it was totally over-whelming. The amount of work involved to make a viable self-sustainable operation is truly daunting. With that in mind, your comment on the physical labor involved is just the tip of the iceberg. I spent just one day doing a survey of all the tasks and projects to accomplish them and I was utterly exhausted. Both physically and mentally. I'm gonna do a separate post on all of this, but as it relates to this conversation, we're talking about a totally different lifestyle than most are used to.
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 6, 2014 9:04:12 GMT -5
Remember fitness doesn't alway need to be driven because you'll be doing mil type missions. If the balloon goes up we all will be doing things that we don't have to do today, e.g., chopping wood, lifting heavy objects, maybe building shelters or redoing shelters, etc. An overall level of fitness will be needed to perform those tasks to help keep you from getting injured. As @eddiewouldbehot stated not all persons will be fighters, some will just be protecting their families. Although, everyone will be doing more manual labor. Injuring your back that puts you down may mean that your retreat will be an easier target for looters and could put your family in danger. Ha! See, I equate digging and fetch/carry WITH military work. I was an engineer, not an infanteer.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Dec 6, 2014 9:28:58 GMT -5
Remember fitness doesn't alway need to be driven because you'll be doing mil type missions. If the balloon goes up we all will be doing things that we don't have to do today, e.g., chopping wood, lifting heavy objects, maybe building shelters or redoing shelters, etc. An overall level of fitness will be needed to perform those tasks to help keep you from getting injured. As @eddiewouldbehot stated not all persons will be fighters, some will just be protecting their families. Although, everyone will be doing more manual labor. Injuring your back that puts you down may mean that your retreat will be an easier target for looters and could put your family in danger. Ha! See, I equate digging and fetch/carry WITH military work. I was an engineer, not an infanteer. I wasn't saying that you don't need to get into mil shape. For someone who is, let's say 70 years old, that's not going to be possible for most. But, that's not to say that they shouldn't be working out as there will plenty of work that will need to be done at the retreat. I'm 58 and I think I could do many of the things most 35ish year old men could do, but I don't think I could compete with the 20 year old just out of basic training, but that's not my goal. I don't see myself rucking 80lbs 30 miles a day, or climbing mountains (I'm in the south). Again, as many have said, train for what you think you'll be up against but train, train and train. Like @eddiewouldbehot, I do more of a crossfit type training. I spoke with my trainer yesterday and told him I wanted more cardio as in running. So it looks like crossfit Monday, Wednesday and Friday with cardio and more core on Tuesday and Thursday for a while. Yippee I dislike running due to my knees, but I don't have to like it...just have to do it. Better, faster, stronger and more agile is what I've been striving for.
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 6, 2014 10:08:45 GMT -5
I did 2 mi the other day in 24:28 with a 30 lb pack on. I probably could/could have done it a bit faster but I was just trying to get a rough baseline. I would like to get that time down some more, but I'm not sure the more I've thought about it. I still think that for us, a solid 1 mi in decent time with gear and then still enough left to fight is a good goal for most. Diz, PS, and Eddie all make good sense to me. The trick is going to be finding some routine that will combine elements from what all is being discussed. Good cardio, but not necessarily marathon type cardio, good speed but not necessarily an Olympic sprinter, and good solid core strength with lifting, pushing, & pulling strength. PS may already be on to the idea with a combo cross fit/cardio regimen. Add to that an occasional 13 minute 1 mile run with your normal load out weight (pack, gear, weapon, etc) and your getting to where I'm thinking is a good place. I think the final piece is doing short up and down wind sprints. Being able quickly from one point of cover to the next will be key in any fight, but especially an urban one.
A quick thought/note on that. I think Eddie is right. Regardless as to whether your plan is to make it to a rural retreat or hunker in place, unless you already live at your retreat, the probably is high that you'll need to know and have practiced some urban/door kicking/room clearing skills. These are different skills and sop than what you use for rural situations and thus while our focus is primarily on the rural, the urban cannot be overlooked. I know most of you already know this so I'm not really talking to the choir but more just reiterating it outloud.
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