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Post by panzer0170 on Oct 20, 2014 6:47:55 GMT -5
I humbly suggest the thread went a bit off-topic. I'm back home and I stand ready to answer specific questions (if neccessary to correct misconceptions that are floating around all over the internet to include our own right wing blogosphere) It did. Drag us back to the topic, by all means!
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 20, 2014 10:33:29 GMT -5
Why haven't the people Duncan was staying with here in the states become symptomatic yet? They all lived in the same apartment for about a month while he was sick, before he went to the hospital. I've read a suggestion online of the "viral load" wasn't high enough in his body to make him contagious, yet.
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Post by Erick on Oct 20, 2014 17:43:52 GMT -5
Why haven't the people Duncan was staying with here in the states become symptomatic yet? They all lived in the same apartment for about a month while he was sick, before he went to the hospital. I've read a suggestion online of the "viral load" wasn't high enough in his body to make him contagious, yet. When they were with him he wasnt showing the classic symptoms until closer to when he was going to the hospital. Virus titre in fluids generally doesnt get high until symptoms erupt. BUT still an infection of them would have been entirely possible
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 20, 2014 19:38:02 GMT -5
What's happened to the cameraman that was moved to Nebraska? And who was the "other patient" they released from Emory today?
I think there would be more people trusting the gov if the lies, spins and secrets stopped....and I'm not just talking about the Ebola crisis.
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 21, 2014 1:32:56 GMT -5
What's happened to the cameraman that was moved to Nebraska? And who was the "other patient" they released from Emory today? I think there would be more people trusting the gov if the lies, spins and secrets stopped....and I'm not just talking about the Ebola crisis. But, then they couldn't control us as easily.
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Post by Diz on Oct 21, 2014 6:38:23 GMT -5
It appears as though the outbreak is fizzling out, at least this side of the ocean. Things are quieting down as all these people past their 21 day window. Now if we could just keep it that way...
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 21, 2014 6:51:06 GMT -5
It appears as though the outbreak is fizzling out, at least this side of the ocean. Things are quieting down as all these people past their 21 day window. Now if we could just keep it that way... But last week they announced that the incubation period could be up to 42 days for approximately 20% of patients. Don't know if this is true, but it's what I've heard. Erick, you have anything on this?
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Post by panzer0170 on Oct 21, 2014 10:05:19 GMT -5
It's fizzling out in parts of Africa - Pretty sure Nigeria just got declared Ebola free* again.
*Free from patients exhibiting Ebola symptoms and going to a hospital, at any rate.
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 21, 2014 13:42:28 GMT -5
Nigeria had travel bans imposed, both self internal and foreign external.
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Post by Erick on Oct 22, 2014 18:16:16 GMT -5
It appears as though the outbreak is fizzling out, at least this side of the ocean. Things are quieting down as all these people past their 21 day window. Now if we could just keep it that way... But last week they announced that the incubation period could be up to 42 days for approximately 20% of patients. Don't know if this is true, but it's what I've heard. Erick, you have anything on this? The maximum incubation period is still 21 days, the majority are at no longer than 15 days so 21 gives a margin. The 42 day number comes from someone's suggesting doubling the period for monitoring as a safety buffer and not recorded actual cases, the WND story is not correct for that reason. the 95% that was quoted was due to the fitting of a mathematical curve and an expectation of a 5% outlier. However so far we have no recorded outliers longer than 21 days. The WHO linked article is actually a bit contradictory about this issue and one wonders if the new data show something else. Some of this may be an artifact of the statistics used though. No where do I find a 20% of patients needing 42 days though or any cases of 42 days incubation for that matter. Even so 21 days may be revised at some point since we never had as much data about this virus as we do now ....it is always prudent anyway to add a couple extra days to the maximum if u quarantine someone .....but 21 days is still at the high end and if i was running the show I use a +3 days rule when quarantining someone for any serious disease Ebola or otherwise.
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 24, 2014 0:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by Erick on Oct 24, 2014 21:29:14 GMT -5
there will be more like this.... I hope for the big society reset just like the next guy but this isnt it (unless panic breaks out)
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 24, 2014 21:52:28 GMT -5
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Post by panzer0170 on Nov 5, 2014 18:36:36 GMT -5
Saw these recently, and it makes a stark and contrasting point to what all the panic and media hype does; Notice how no one has shut down borders or panicked over HIV - which has long term implications and is, honestly, far worse. Also how only in one of the only three countries in Africa affected, is it worse than two other diseases that we're really not all that bothered about, apparently. There is much panic, but not much SUBSTANCE in the panic, IMO. We've sent troops to build/run hospitals, and we've run a couple of practises here at the hospitals we have designated for this kind of thing. Oh, and we've had like 2 patients with Ebola. The end of the world has not happened, and nor do I think it will be, the more time moves on. Thus is the influence of media.
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Post by omnivorous on Nov 5, 2014 22:58:09 GMT -5
I haven't really noticed the media to be in much of a panic mode, here in the States at least. Feel free to differ with me, but I'm a regular news consumer, and the most coverage I've seen which is in such a mode, is about criticism of how it is being handled, than the outbreak itself.
Regarding the numbers, IDK how accurate they're going to be, when a lot of people are staying in rural areas and dying. Not to mention, when aid workers get attacked by the locals, I don't think those aid workers are going to be able to collect terribly accurate data.
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