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Post by kenny256 on Oct 2, 2014 21:14:06 GMT -5
Well I am glad we have a resident Disease expert on the board....
That is why I love this place.
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Post by Erick on Oct 4, 2014 8:31:49 GMT -5
Thank you for the kind words. let me add this: After perusing the internet on this subject I found a lot of misunderstandings
There is a lot of Angst out there based on laymen's reading the published MSDS and other data sheets on Ebola. Because those publication use a rule-it-out standard for decontamination etc.
That's an extremely high standard and Laymen will not always accurately interpret the black letter data given there for a nuanced balanced risk assessment for thier own situation
For us preppers it's about managing risk to operate, not getting the table so clean it can be govt triple X certified.
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Post by m1a2abramsman on Oct 4, 2014 10:54:15 GMT -5
Since the framework has already been set up for you know who to not have to leave office if marshal law is implemented, all they need to do is create some reason to put it into place. What better excuse than to curtail an ebola outbrake whether real or fictitious. I see my country slipping closer and closer into a fascist style of government. I feel like im watching the fall of Rome or the the rise of the Third Reich first hand every time I hear about what's going on here.
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Post by Erick on Oct 8, 2014 14:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by USMC0331 on Oct 9, 2014 0:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by Diz on Oct 15, 2014 8:09:54 GMT -5
Some interesting thoughts. My wife is in healthcare. She is currently at a conference at Dallas. Talking with a lot of the healthcare providers there has given her some valuable insight into this. When she gets back I'll share more. One quick comment she made was the severe shortage of supplies and equipment to handle this kind of problem. Seems the feds are the only ones fully equipped to handle a level 4 hazmat sit. Consider yourself in a low resource environment. That pamphlet is golden for us. Good job Erick. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 15, 2014 9:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 15, 2014 9:58:46 GMT -5
I read an article last night that patients lose 5-10 liters of fluids per day. Now anyone in medicine knows that kind of fluid shift causes massive electrolyte imbalances. The patients actually gain 15-20kgs of weight, but were hypovolemic as they were third spacing the fluid. They also noted that due to these problems these patients need one-on-one nursing care. The patients have explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting which makes PPE use so much more important.
Now take what I just wrote and think about how the countries in Africa can take care of these patients effectively. The massive amounts of IV hydration, blood tests (to follow electrolytes several times a day with that kind of fluid loss), one-on-one care (yeah, prob not) and all the other services...environmental (someone's got to clean the rooms), nutritional therapy, physical therapy....the list goes on and on.
Now think about what it would be like here if we were having a 100, or 200 cases per week. This will get costly, and supplies/resources will get thin.
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Post by Hawkeye on Oct 15, 2014 10:04:26 GMT -5
Little nugget I found elsewhere.... There are a whopping 23 BSL-4 level beds in the entire country.
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Post by kenny256 on Oct 15, 2014 10:14:28 GMT -5
I read an article somewhere yesterday that if nothing is done, you will starting seeing 10,000 new cases I think it was every month world wide by december ( it might have even been each week) sorry I do not have exact time frame.
But just imagine that, with our airlines still functioning we really think we are going to catch every person?
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 15, 2014 11:29:19 GMT -5
Yet the CDC director says that travel restrictions will help it spread...?
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Oct 15, 2014 11:37:21 GMT -5
I read an article somewhere yesterday that if nothing is done, you will starting seeing 10,000 new cases I think it was every month world wide by december ( it might have even been each week) sorry I do not have exact time frame. But just imagine that, with our airlines still functioning we really think we are going to catch every person? Here's the article. abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330It's 10,000 new cases per WEEK in Africa within two months if they cannot stop this.
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Post by winter on Oct 15, 2014 14:57:52 GMT -5
Yet the CDC director says that travel restrictions will help it spread...? WTF? Another in my long list of things that prove willful sabotage of the USA.
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Post by kenny256 on Oct 15, 2014 15:32:10 GMT -5
I read an article somewhere yesterday that if nothing is done, you will starting seeing 10,000 new cases I think it was every month world wide by december ( it might have even been each week) sorry I do not have exact time frame. But just imagine that, with our airlines still functioning we really think we are going to catch every person? Here's the article. abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/10000-ebola-cases-week-26179330It's 10,000 new cases per WEEK in Africa within two months if they cannot stop this. What number of those 10,000 will be coming to the USA you think? I believe we will eventually see a flight ban from those origin countries, but what foothold will the disease have in the US at that time?
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 15, 2014 18:18:52 GMT -5
Yet the CDC director says that travel restrictions will help it spread...? WTF? Another in my long list of things that prove willful sabotage of the USA. He's said that at least three times in interviews. Yeah. To paraphrase him, he states that by restricting commercial flights to and from the heavily affected countries in West Africa, will reduce the ability of aid workers to get into those countries to help, and will make the infected peoples more desperate and presumably they'll all flee to the US, or some other bullshit. Watch for when Ebola gets a foothold in South and Central America, then the shits really going to get real for the US.
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