Dave R
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Post by Dave R on Jan 29, 2014 22:54:07 GMT -5
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Post by Diz on Jan 30, 2014 10:35:05 GMT -5
On sizing, I'm 5'11" and 165, with a 40" chest and 32" waist. I have a 180/104 smock which is very generous size-wise for additional layers. These things are poly-cotton so they will shrink a little if needed. So buy bigger if anything. The shirt and trou are cut fairly tight, IMHO, so buy these over-sized. The hot weather shirt in 180/104 just fits me without much room to spare. On pants, the 33" waist, 36" length are just large enough without much room to spare. So on cammies, buy a size or two UP from your actual measurements.
We bought from ebay with no problems. Yes there is shipping, but the base prices are so low you still come out ahead. Smocks range from $30-$60. Shirts and trou are $10-$20. Airmail shipping costs as much as the item but gets here within about 10 days. Surface shipping is a lot less but takes 2-3 weeks. My smocks were $32 plus another $32 air ship. So for $64 you get one of the best wind proof smocks out there. My shirts and trou were about $30 a set, with another $10 surface ship.
They are giving DPM away right now because all the fanboys are buying up the new MTP. If there was ever a time to stock up on DPM, it's right now.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Feb 1, 2014 21:38:04 GMT -5
On sizing, I'm 5'11" and 165, with a 40" chest and 32" waist. I have a 180/104 smock which is very generous size-wise for additional layers. These things are poly-cotton so they will shrink a little if needed. So buy bigger if anything. The shirt and trou are cut fairly tight, IMHO, so buy these over-sized. The hot weather shirt in 180/104 just fits me without much room to spare. On pants, the 33" waist, 36" length are just large enough without much room to spare. So on cammies, buy a size or two UP from your actual measurements. We bought from ebay with no problems. Yes there is shipping, but the base prices are so low you still come out ahead. Smocks range from $30-$60. Shirts and trou are $10-$20. Airmail shipping costs as much as the item but gets here within about 10 days. Surface shipping is a lot less but takes 2-3 weeks. My smocks were $32 plus another $32 air ship. So for $64 you get one of the best wind proof smocks out there. My shirts and trou were about $30 a set, with another $10 surface ship. They are giving DPM away right now because all the fanboys are buying up the new MTP. If there was ever a time to stock up on DPM, it's right now. Thanks so much for the really helpful first-hand sizing info. You're actually the exact same size I would be if I was in shape.
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Post by Paul on Feb 1, 2014 21:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by 8541ss on Feb 2, 2014 17:32:08 GMT -5
Hawkeye. I need details on the belt you are wearing with the rifle mag pouches on each side. That is what I am wanting to build.
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 2, 2014 19:00:45 GMT -5
Belt? What belt? I don't know anything about any belt......
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Post by Dave R on Feb 2, 2014 22:52:54 GMT -5
Hawk, I see the swamp fox was used rather than the minuteman. Do you prefer the swamp fox over the minuteman in most scenarios?
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 3, 2014 11:16:57 GMT -5
Honestly, it all depends on the situation/mission. I like and use them both.
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Post by Diz on Feb 3, 2014 11:58:36 GMT -5
Funny. That is our new prototype belt kit system we are testing out. We are working on a new battle belt and suspenders, along with mag and utility pouches with our tuck tab design. The pouches we are running in the mean time are modified SDS, woodland camo.
For extended patrolling I prefer the SF because that's pretty much what it was made for. We are also working on some prototype models with some different features, such as built in BOK pouch as recommend by Pat Sheep Dog.
It's a continuous improvement process. As we train we dial things in.
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Post by 8541ss on Feb 3, 2014 12:23:45 GMT -5
Oh I see what you did there Hawkeye. Thanks Diz. The pic on page one has Selous Scout all over it. I have a Swamp Fox on order and am still trying to put together a modern LC2 belt setup that would work with the SF. I used ALICE in the early 90s. I once wore a mesh vest in Thailand and swore I would never do that again after a bad case of prickly heat.
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 14, 2014 10:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 27, 2014 17:22:47 GMT -5
I have always had an interest in Brit kit, especially the SAS windproof smock. By the time you could find one, we were off and running with desert camo, then digitals, and other assorted patterns of the month. As I have recently come back around to Old School Woodland, I am also giving DPM woodland another look. And by golly jock, that shit is pretty good stuff. In fact, I like it better than US woodland at this point. Why? Well, for one, the pattern is much more random than ours. You don't see repeating shapes in the pattern as readily. So visually, as in to the nekid eye, it is actually superior. So OK, that's a pretty big deal all by itself. But wait, there's more. When viewed under night vision (my -14) the pattern is just plain fantastic. Most material that is treated for NIR only shows contrast on the black segments. DPM stays dark on the black AND brown segments, giving an awesome contrast with the remaining colors, which fade to light green. (And BTW, US woodland ain't half bad under NV either. The black segments give excellent contrast with the other colors.) The fact is, DPM woodland gives one of the best contrasting patterns under NV, bar none. Even the digitals aren't as good, IMHO. Other current patterns, such as Multi-cam (and MTP), ATACS, etc. don't hold a candle to this stuff. So how can this be? How can the US government shit-can a perfectly good woodland pattern for ACU (one of the WORST patterns ever fielded), (and now Multi-Scam) And, how can Her Majesty's government shit-can the best woodland pattern ON THE PLANET, for MTP??? But I digress. If you get a chance, take a look at some of this stuff. Like US woodland, DPM is inexpensive and available. With ebay and paypal you can get whatever you want directly from the UK. Something that was hard to pull off in the past. Limey here Joined when DPM was the issue, worn that, desert DPM and now MTP. For comfort and cut, DPM/Desert won hands down every time, and (even though it's unimportant for warry scenarios) looked pretty smart tucked in and ironed properly. One of the things that people seem to do very often with camo gear is take shots from 20-30ft and see how well it blends. Having gone through all sorts of trials with the designers of the new pattern (which is just the DPM pattern with multicam colours. And for the reasons 'so we are distinguishable from the USA' and 'to retain national identity [which both make sense, to me]) we actually found out quite a bit about how the camo is supposed to be used / most effective. It's designed to be used at ranges from 100m and beyond. The thought being that if you are in the Army you have firearms, and if you have firearms... God, use them. One of the concepts is that whilst your opponent may be able to hit a man/torso sized target at 300m with a battle rifle, if he can't quite tell that you're even there, then you're one step ahead of the game. All this (and of course, cost...) brings us to one 'all-terrain' pattern in a new cut that is too heavy, has far too much velcro, and looks like a bag of sh*t when you're NOT using it for war. My one caution when buying DPM gear is make sure it's proper NSN'd stuff, and if you can help it (IE you can see pictures of the exact kit you're buying, not bulk orders) then try to get stuff that HASN'T got pretty creases down the front of the trousers; If they've been ironed enough, after the fire retardant is worn through it starts messing with the IRR coating, and you end up with nice, STRAIGHT vertical lines walking through the forest/woodland/bush. Just my two penn'orth. -Panzer
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 27, 2014 17:39:33 GMT -5
On sizing, I'm 5'11" and 165, with a 40" chest and 32" waist. I have a 180/104 smock which is very generous size-wise for additional layers. These things are poly-cotton so they will shrink a little if needed. So buy bigger if anything. The shirt and trou are cut fairly tight, IMHO, so buy these over-sized. The hot weather shirt in 180/104 just fits me without much room to spare. On pants, the 33" waist, 36" length are just large enough without much room to spare. So on cammies, buy a size or two UP from your actual measurements. We bought from ebay with no problems. Yes there is shipping, but the base prices are so low you still come out ahead. Smocks range from $30-$60. Shirts and trou are $10-$20. Airmail shipping costs as much as the item but gets here within about 10 days. Surface shipping is a lot less but takes 2-3 weeks. My smocks were $32 plus another $32 air ship. So for $64 you get one of the best wind proof smocks out there. My shirts and trou were about $30 a set, with another $10 surface ship. They are giving DPM away right now because all the fanboys are buying up the new MTP. If there was ever a time to stock up on DPM, it's right now. With regards to the jacket/shirt/trousers combo; The jacket was originally cut to go over 2-3 thin layers and a thick fleece, for size reference. So a 180 shirt is going to leave space for those layers between that and a 180 jacket. The jackets are cut LONG (should sit between hip and knee if you're wearing about the right size, but the sleeves are long too, so you CAN get away with a smaller size if you're not built like a tank.) The trousers? Make sure you pay attention to the 'seat' size. it's the third measurement, and if you don't get one with a large enough seat, trousers that SHOULD fit... (inner leg, waist) ...Won't. - Panzer
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 28, 2014 9:18:10 GMT -5
Outstanding info Panzer. Some of that Diz and I already knew/figured out, but thanks for posting it!
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 28, 2014 9:59:32 GMT -5
Outstanding info Panzer. Some of that Diz and I already knew/figured out, but thanks for posting it! Always welcome, I've got a lot of the gear to hand still, so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask. I've noticed that we operate in a different manner to you, and some things we do and some gear we have I genuinely beleive is better, but then there are things you do, and toys the US Military have access to (A10, anyone?) that should be part of our toolbox.
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