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Post by panzer0170 on Jun 3, 2016 10:18:22 GMT -5
Sounds about right. I'm surprised you haven't been called an idiot over specific 'brand' of camouflage yet Or told not to carry water because you can 'get it locally as you need it' (Yeah, fantastic idea...)
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Post by Ivarr Bergmann on Jun 3, 2016 12:09:36 GMT -5
People that bitch and try to tear others down are ppl that have never done anything or ppl that are stuck on one thing they ever accomplished.. and there they remain..... Never feed the malcontent..
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Post by protus on Jun 3, 2016 17:27:03 GMT -5
I gave up doing the tube deal. To much derp.
Got to where it was constant...stupid petty bull.
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Post by whitebear620 on Jun 5, 2016 15:03:40 GMT -5
So a little update on the idiotic comments that get posted.... I just delete them instead of making them public as I don't want to give these fools a voice. But I'll share a few with everyone here, just so you know what kind of people are out there and how they think. The comments serve to reinforce my thoughts, that should the worst ever happen, there will be a LOT of people who die. Here is a sampling of the latest comments, some are paraphrased for brevity.... - I'm an idiot for using a canteen/water bottle.
- I'm an idiot for not using a suppressor on my rifle, for not having luminous sights, for not having night vision, and for not moving at night.
- I'm an idiot for not moving from point of cover to point of cover.
- I'm an idiot for having a water bladder in my pack and not having canteens mounted on my belt.
- I make too much noise when I walk.
Reminds me of a time in the field when the brass had their heads where they shouldn't be, they were doing hot chow in a clearing at least a half mile from our company, but because we were in the "field" we needed to be "tactical". So you have soldiers bounding from tree to tree for a half mile to line up for chow, after getting chow you had to "eat tactically" which meant squatting with your back to a tree and scanning for threats. It was dumb and stupid because if it's enough of a threat to go to chow that you have to bound there and all of the other bullshit, then they wouldn't be serving hot chow in a clearing where a grenade could kill everyone there I'm enjoying the patrol series as I feel it's a nice touch of realism against the people that think they're gonna carry 30 mags in their pack and the other side who thinks that rifles are too much for anything. I don't agree with everything that's been proposed, and that's fine because we all have different situations and different but still good ways of doing things.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jun 5, 2016 19:50:16 GMT -5
That is... A special kind of special.
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Post by protus on Jun 7, 2016 7:56:19 GMT -5
Bear..
Each persons goals are different. For example ..I ain't humping packs like Berg shows LOL. I know my limits... 8 mags...maybe. but some of those are stowed in a Ruck. You gotta war game your scenarios. down here. Its fast light...ammo..water heavy...if I expect contact...if I'm doing recon like hawks new neighbor film. It'll be basic loads..with the necessary support gear for the patrol duration. Maybe hump in the spotting scope..extra camo netting..digital voice recorder or longer range comms to relay info. Or ill be stuck just wearing my sidearm...with the rifle and a bandolier with in arms reach while I tend to the garden...livestock etc.... I plan to eat more than I plan to fight.....but am capable of the later if need be. Ymmv
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 15:52:30 GMT -5
Hey Guys I just got on the blog (finally) and have read most of the comments, which I like. In my humble opinion, you guys are right on, your security/recon patrol should be light and have non contact in mind. Equipment should be adaptable for the situation and type and duration of the patrol. Ammo and water are the primo items. Just a thought.....since you have limited personnel (probably just family members) you might want to plan your patrols within the weapons maximum effective range of the people over watching you in the house or safe area. I know that in some areas that are heavily wooded that might not be totally practical, but just food for thought. Another thing that MUST be understood and rehearsed before any patrol leaves the house or safe area is departure and reentry of friendly lines. That would include far and near recognition signals. Patrolling is not all about having the right equipment but your well thought out plan is what is going to keep you alive when commo is limited. I still love to use the old Ranger Handbook.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 26, 2016 17:08:38 GMT -5
Hey Guys I just got on the blog (finally) and have read most of the comments, which I like. In my humble opinion, you guys are right on, your security/recon patrol should be light and have non contact in mind. Equipment should be adaptable for the situation and type and duration of the patrol. Ammo and water are the primo items. Just a thought.....since you have limited personnel (probably just family members) you might want to plan your patrols within the weapons maximum effective range of the people over watching you in the house or safe area. I get the thought, but the whole point of pushing patrols out beyond current line of sight/weapons arcs is that you have somewhat of an actual warning if you are likely to get contacted. Assuming you're going 5.56 and assuming 300m, then if you double that we can call it six. that means at best you can clear 600m around your location. All that then takes is 1 bloke with 1000 yard capability and they can reach PAST you, and into your location. Clearance patrols need to be carried out as far as practical in your AO. If transport is possible, extend them several miles. If not, you need to be pushing out a couple of km at least. For mobile types (IVAR style) you might expect to clear around an overnight location on the way INTO it, and cover your rear with a snap ambush before occupation. Staying withing strings reach of your location means you have no INT. And INT really is a key winner of... all things. I know that in some areas that are heavily wooded that might not be totally practical, but just food for thought. Another thing that MUST be understood and rehearsed before any patrol leaves the house or safe area is departure and reentry of friendly lines. That would include far and near recognition signals. Patrolling is not all about having the right equipment but your well thought out plan is what is going to keep you alive when commo is limited. I still love to use the old Ranger Handbook.
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Post by whitebear620 on Jul 26, 2016 18:47:56 GMT -5
Hey Guys I just got on the blog (finally) and have read most of the comments, which I like. In my humble opinion, you guys are right on, your security/recon patrol should be light and have non contact in mind. Equipment should be adaptable for the situation and type and duration of the patrol. Ammo and water are the primo items. Just a thought.....since you have limited personnel (probably just family members) you might want to plan your patrols within the weapons maximum effective range of the people over watching you in the house or safe area. I get the thought, but the whole point of pushing patrols out beyond current line of sight/weapons arcs is that you have somewhat of an actual warning if you are likely to get contacted. Assuming you're going 5.56 and assuming 300m, then if you double that we can call it six. that means at best you can clear 600m around your location. All that then takes is 1 bloke with 1000 yard capability and they can reach PAST you, and into your location. Clearance patrols need to be carried out as far as practical in your AO. If transport is possible, extend them several miles. If not, you need to be pushing out a couple of km at least. For mobile types (IVAR style) you might expect to clear around an overnight location on the way INTO it, and cover your rear with a snap ambush before occupation. Staying withing strings reach of your location means you have no INT. And INT really is a key winner of... all things. I know that in some areas that are heavily wooded that might not be totally practical, but just food for thought. Another thing that MUST be understood and rehearsed before any patrol leaves the house or safe area is departure and reentry of friendly lines. That would include far and near recognition signals. Patrolling is not all about having the right equipment but your well thought out plan is what is going to keep you alive when commo is limited. I still love to use the old Ranger Handbook. Need to go all New Bern from the show Jericho and start making our own mortars, then we can apply that practice
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 7:15:30 GMT -5
And I understand your point but while you are out 2 miles or so away from your home, I hope you have a lot of family members securing your house. If you have a rifle squad you can do that, but if you have a couple of members of your family (wife, kids) are you really going to get so far away you can not help them if they are in trouble. I guess you have to do your own assessment, METT-T. You also need to establish your Area of Operation and your Area of Influence. This will help determine where you focus your patrols. I assume we are talking about a situation that there is a collapse in government and law and order.
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Post by trailrunner909 on Jul 27, 2016 10:38:55 GMT -5
And I understand your point but while you are out 2 miles or so away from your home, I hope you have a lot of family members securing your house. If you have a rifle squad you can do that, but if you have a couple of members of your family (wife, kids) are you really going to get so far away you can not help them if they are in trouble. I guess you have to do your own assessment, METT-T. You also need to establish your Area of Operation and your Area of Influence. This will help determine where you focus your patrols. I assume we are talking about a situation that there is a collapse in government and law and order.If the only people you have in your life who would have your back are your wife and kids, then it is time to make new friends. Unless you are just way out in BFE. Even then that makes it a prime bug out spot for those friends who aren't.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 27, 2016 12:26:03 GMT -5
And I understand your point but while you are out 2 miles or so away from your home, I hope you have a lot of family members securing your house. If you have a rifle squad you can do that, but if you have a couple of members of your family (wife, kids) are you really going to get so far away you can not help them if they are in trouble. I guess you have to do your own assessment, METT-T. You also need to establish your Area of Operation and your Area of Influence. This will help determine where you focus your patrols. I assume we are talking about a situation that there is a collapse in government and law and order.I also assume we are talking about the same. With everything there is balance; between constantly pushing out and away and staying moving, and being static. Static, fortified positions are only effective and defensible if you can in fact man them 24/7. A sangar/fire trench that is unoccupied is, until it is occupied, useless. I would argue that is is less manpower intensive to spend a couple of hours each day and push out in different directions to 2-3 miles to recce the area. If you find that there are high levels of transit through your area, you might want to step up security and consider longer manning of those sangars. If there is little to no activity and there hasn't been for ages, you can relax a little and live a little more normally. Initially it may pay, to some degree, to hunker down and weather the storm somewhat. But eventually, you are going to need to start wandering. Whether it is wandering to hunt, to trade etc. And if you've been locked up since forever within weapons range of your own compound you're basically stepping out into the unknown in every direction. Every patrol you put out can increase your knowledge of the area and it's current 'politics', it can identify your weak spots in terms of people sneaking up close to you, observing you from height at distances etc. There is a certain amount of this you can do now, especially in regards to the observation side of things, but the routes in and out to your location can and will change. You will have the opportunity to coerce people away from you, or perhaps entice them towards something else. If you, alone, can identify an 'enemy patrol' in the area, clear their LOS, and then get back and evac your family and wait out said bandits moving through the area (assuming your gear is secure, or you have a reserve somewhere etc). If you're staying in the house and the first you see them is 600m away, there's a fair to middlin' chance they've already clocked your house and are going to have a wee look round on the off chance you're dead and there's free stuff. As far as getting back to defend your wife and kids; If there is just you, your wife, and your kids? Train your wife. She doesn't need to be an infantryman, especially if what she's facing is local thugs with crap gear and no training. If your kids are old enough to be of use, train them too, or else have a plan, an ERV for them to bug to. If you're out patrolling North, and they get contacted from the South, there is very little reason for them NOT to evac towards you and attempt to make contact. Something as simple as a whistle that you can hear at serious distance as a signal to meet you at a pre-arranged RV. If you're not trying to mass firepower against a target (and I suggest as armed citizens we are unlikely to be trying that unless it's as part of a bigger plan by friendly military units or some sort of local organised militia of sorts) then spreading your units out in a way that allows them to give early warning to others who can then form a cluster capable of a solid defence or attack is an all round good strategy. Remember in NI, Mogadishu, Afghanistan, Iraq etc one of the biggest assets were unarmed people who simply observed and reported, allowing those with the capability to fight to direct their firepower more effectively. What can your non-combat types do that will increase the effectiveness of any firepower you have to bring to bear? I know I wouldn't want fighters stagging on day and night, if I could share the load with non-fighters who could be paired up with a sleeping fighter who is then well rested and alert when needed, for example?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 13:59:14 GMT -5
My wife and kids are actually trained very well and have a group that will help me. I teach patrolling and have done it for a majority of my 21 years in the army. I guess my point is that you need to way the situation that applies to METT-T. I agree that learning your area before something happens is vital and every patrol should have a stated purpose and be well planned out.
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Post by Ivarr Bergmann on Jul 27, 2016 15:18:01 GMT -5
My wife and kids are actually trained very well and have a group that will help me. I teach patrolling and have done it for a majority of my 21 years in the army. I guess my point is that you need to way the situation that applies to METT-T. I agree that learning your area before something happens is vital and every patrol should have a stated purpose and be well planned out. Agreed.. I also believe that many rules of war will be rewritten and new tactics will have to be invented, old things will be reinvented and a great many things from the past reincarnated. Most ppl will burn through ammo w/o thinking ahead. I think a great many ppl will fall victim to close in warfare from primitive weapons such as bow & arrows, atlatal type weapons and man-trap ambushes and cleverly built antiquated type weapons manufactured from the ruins of civilization.. I also think compressed air will become the maker of warfare for a great many ppl/groups. I can see the post-collapse fighting including every bit of warfare from the time of the caveman, to the time of the vikings- right up to the technology used by modern fighters.. prepare..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 21:53:21 GMT -5
My wife and kids are actually trained very well and have a group that will help me. I teach patrolling and have done it for a majority of my 21 years in the army. I guess my point is that you need to way the situation that applies to METT-T. I agree that learning your area before something happens is vital and every patrol should have a stated purpose and be well planned out. Agreed.. I also believe that many rules of war will be rewritten and new tactics will have to be invented, old things will be reinvented and a great many things from the past reincarnated. Most ppl will burn through ammo w/o thinking ahead. I think a great many ppl will fall victim to close in warfare from primitive weapons such as bow & arrows, atlatal type weapons and man-trap ambushes and cleverly built antiquated type weapons manufactured from the ruins of civilization.. I also think compressed air will become the maker of warfare for a great many ppl/groups. I can see the post-collapse fighting including every bit of warfare from the time of the caveman, to the time of the vikings- right up to the technology used by modern fighters.. prepare.. Ivarr, How have you been? Once again, we agree because we both think alike.
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