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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 28, 2015 7:44:31 GMT -5
A bolt gun is also something I can get some time and practise in, here in the UK - Albeit not at any 'long' ranges...
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Post by protus on Apr 13, 2015 3:40:46 GMT -5
Like most things its a tool...how you employ it is how effective it would be.
Ive got a few...nothing fancy...but long range in my area is not common. Contact distance here unless your on a road or cleared srea is 10-300 yards.
Think of it like this....can you positivly ID targets at X range ?
Are you employing bolt gun over or under those ranges ?
Can /are you an effective shooter at those ranges ?
Is it legal(short term vs long term event...preemptive shot vs threat )
Just some thoughts.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 13, 2015 5:56:09 GMT -5
protus; Some good points. The only one I'll expand on is PID. The shooter doesn't need to be able to PID the target, just distinguish it from other potential targets, so long as you have someone who IS capable of PID, which leads to a variation in effective range of weapon vs PID range. It could be that you have a spotter with high mag scope, or just someone who is up REALLY close, but in some sort of covert OP that you don't want to make anyone aware exists. If your max range is 300m I'd definitely not bother. Right now I'm in the UK and none of this even counts, as I don't have a firearm. But I'm thinking ahead for MN's massive flat glacial valley, and I can imagine now 2-3 places I've looked at in terms of wanting to live, and engagement ranges vary from 0-100m and then a few hundred metres of dead ground and then good visibility again at 600m+ It's not so much that I can't engage with a normal rifle, it's that I'm giving anyone who wants to cause me bother the opportunity to get RIGHT UP CLOSE without any way of stopping them (because dead ground) when potentially a bolt gun with a nice peice of glass would give the opportunity to at least discourage them. It may be that where I end up is in the middle of a city, in which case I'll take a shotgun because they're cheap and good for bird/duck, and a rifle for 0-300m. Just exploring ideas! 
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Post by justanothergunnut on Apr 15, 2015 18:34:43 GMT -5
so seriously panzer.. how many hours after you get in the US is it gonna be before you start purchasing guns? Must be terribly exciting. I could imagine it would be like moving out of Kalifornia and being able to buy Auto guns and suppressors. Hell Im excited for you.....
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Apr 15, 2015 19:15:57 GMT -5
so seriously panzer.. how many hours after you get in the US is it gonna be before you start purchasing guns? Must be terribly exciting. I could imagine it would be like moving out of Kalifornia and being able to buy Auto guns and suppressors. Hell Im excited for you..... He's got his GPS programmed, or knowing @panzer his topo map already marked out wit waypoints and compass in hand, for the location of the nearest gun store from the airport. lol |
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 16, 2015 1:14:06 GMT -5
so seriously panzer.. how many hours after you get in the US is it gonna be before you start purchasing guns? Must be terribly exciting. I could imagine it would be like moving out of Kalifornia and being able to buy Auto guns and suppressors. Hell Im excited for you..... He's got his GPS programmed, or knowing @panzer his topo map already marked out wit waypoints and compass in hand, for the location of the nearest gun store from the airport. lol I don't need a map and a compass. I know the route from the airport to the 2 nearest gun shops, amusingly the better of the two is actually over the border and in WI  Start with a glock and a shotgun, and from there build a small arsenal and reclaim the continent for the Queen  |
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Post by ironferal on Sept 9, 2015 18:23:22 GMT -5
I hope that this is not too old of a thread to resurrect. I am surprised at the lack of interest in bolt guns by the Armed Citizen/Patriot/Preparedness groups. There seems to me to be an over-emphasis on AR/AK platforms along with TTP's for those weapons. In guerrilla/insurgency/unconventional warfare, to deploy a precision shooter with good field-craft, the recon, surveillance, and multiplying effect would be an asset to used both defensively and offensively. Survivability is a concern and to think that a lone shooter would be able to win the battle is nonsensical at best, but there is nothing more demoralising than having personnel dropping dead from an unknown shooter from an unknown distance. Suddenly there is no safe place. As for the legal concerns in a ROL or WROL, I would not be too concerned. If conditions have deteriorated to deploying hunter/shooters, you will have little concern for legal ramifications when things return to normal. As for lugging a bolt gun, a well-thought out long-range rifle will be lighter and more portable than anything built on an AK/AR/M14 platform. Here is an interesting exercise in building just such a rifle - DM/S Concept - I am actually in process of building such a rifle at the moment and will be pushing the weight limits even more. And a good bolt gun built on a Remington 700 or Winchester 70 action is extremely reliable, rugged and easy to maintain, not mention cheap. Optics would be the most expensive part of the set-up. Hunters, especially bow and varmint hunters, are well suited for this role. They understand concealment, observation, stealth and stalking, so a not a huge task to add surveillance, recon, and comms to their skill list with some training. While rural AO's lend themselves especially well to this role, urban and suburban environments are great hunting grounds as well. The shooter needs to be proficient with his rifle to at least 600M, preferably 800M. Except in rare situations where the need is to be running suppressed subsonics, a bolt-gun needs to be operating with a 300M buffer at minimum. I really cannot imagine anything more frightening than operating in an AO where you know there is a team of extremely capable precision shooters, hunter/shooters able to take down targets with regularity out to 1000M, only well-trained professionals would be able to withstand the stress and terror, your average gang of looters and gang-bangers would be quickly looking for easier targets. This post is long-winded enough, but don't just practice on silhouettes and painted steel, use camouflaged, 3D targets that replicate a two-way shooting range. |
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Post by kenny256 on Sept 10, 2015 14:41:46 GMT -5
We have several .308's, a 300 win mag, .30-06.
My family has a lot of hunting style rifles. We have several semi auto's but all the alrge caliber ones are bolt actions with karl-zeiss scopes!
With enough accurate fire, I believe we can break the enemy ranks or just kill them where they stand.
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