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Post by waffenmacht on Oct 14, 2014 7:12:15 GMT -5
A few times a year we have the opportunity to run this course. We spend a few hours on the 2D range working on fundamentals (this time we ran most of the MEUSOC M4A1 Qual Course) before moving to the 3D range (featured in this video) The focus of the Combat Engagement Course is to bring all the basics of weapons manipulation together, while inducing stress and fatigue. Multiple targets are engaged, communication is encouraged, and safety is monitored. We typically video these runs so we can revisit them and critique. These are NOT edited, and you WILL see mistakes. This isn't a "how to" video, but rather a "how not to" video; in that we don't review what was done right but rather what was done wrong, and what can be improved upon. After each run there is a "debrief" and each shooter is spoken to individually on specific issues encountered. There are two different cameras used, and you get to see both. |
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Post by waffenmacht on Oct 14, 2014 7:13:19 GMT -5
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Post by omnivorous on Oct 14, 2014 20:51:20 GMT -5
Aww, super cool! That looks like it was a great training opportunity! I'm so jelly... :/ I hope that forgotten mag wasn't forgotten about...  |
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Post by USMC0331 on Oct 14, 2014 21:24:34 GMT -5
waffenmacht,
Thanks for sharing, are you doing so for input or are you planning on giving us what you found wrong in them? I think it would be good to critique them here, but don't want to assume that is the purpose of posting them before adding my $0.02 and asking questions.
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Post by waffenmacht on Oct 15, 2014 7:09:54 GMT -5
Absolutely, criticism is encouraged as it will add to the learning portion of the discussion. To prevent confusion we can refer to the shooter wearing a camo shirt as "shooter 1" and the guy in the black shirt as "shooter 2". A few observations I made (some of which may not be apparent in the video) :
Shooter 1 - He has a sling issue on his primary. It IS getting better, but the rifle still hangs very loose when transitioning, creating a potential muzzle sweep on occasion.
Shooter 2 - Is a fairly new shooter to this type of training. Running open-top magazine pouches he is experiencing some retention issues. He was also putting empty and half-empty magazines back into his pouches when reloading. He was instructed to take the time to bring fresh mags to the front, or use a dump pouch/pocket/ground for the empties. Obviously he is also struggling with the "push-pull" method of verifying that magazines are seated properly in his weapon after a reload. One failure was caught in this video, but there were others throughout the day and at previous training events.
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Post by Diz on Oct 15, 2014 10:14:06 GMT -5
I like your approach here. It's not just an ego-stroke, to put up online, and say look at how badass we are, but actual training experiences to evaluate and learn from. I admire your open mind and willingness to accept criticism. This is how I try to be, and how we try to be on this forum. I wish everyone was as open-minded as you are.
It's not about pushing a certain agenda. It's not about what I do, or he does, or you do. It's about what works, period. If we can remove our egos from the equation and truly look at our T,T,P's, and discover what is the best way of doing things, without getting all butt-hurt about it, then we will be on the path to the real tactical truth.
It looks like you guys have made a good start at it. Thanks for sharing this.
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Post by USMC0331 on Oct 15, 2014 10:56:48 GMT -5
Like Diz said, that is the attitude of a seeker. Video has a way of showing you what you don't see when you are doing it and is a very good tool.
I'll post my observations later, but it was really not that bad.
Most videos on MeTube are the polished product only , few are willing to show the flubs and it's to be commended!
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Post by waffenmacht on Oct 17, 2014 8:34:43 GMT -5
Host finally got the entire course uploaded in HD. For those bored with nothing else to do, trying to kill time, here's the 40 minute video. Oh, also there are many, many patterns of camo here, so as a side benefit you can see how some perform against others.:
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Post by USMC0331 on Oct 20, 2014 0:23:35 GMT -5
Original Video Critique - .58 - Missing out on stability by not contacting your left elbow to left knee area. - 1.07 - 3.5/4.0 sec transition to pistol, should be under 2 sec from standing IMO. Slide the rifle around and get a grip on the pistol at the same time. That sling is not helping you either, that gun will beat the hell out of you if you have to sprint to cover like that. - 1.35 - Why reload the pistol standing up instead of taking a knee? Assuming no cover, reduce the profile for the pistol reload and rifle. - 1.36 - 8/9sec deadman's rifle. Tactical reload or preferably bring the mag to the gun and do an e-reload then store the partial mag. Your gun will be a 1 shot wonder for 2 sec max this way. - 1.44 - Excellent press check! - 2.24 - Leadman doesn't check six - 2.30 - Contact (where?) rear man should be getting online and assaulting also. - 3.30 - That spinning back turn is going to get you someday, if the tree limb doesn't first. Don't walk backwards unless you have to. Scan over your shoulder if you must while moving. - 3.50 - You got muzzled. Weapon should be towards the ground or up when going over an obstacle not straight ahead where your buddy is. - 4.30 - RELOAD when you can... tell your buddy.  - 4.44 - Looks like he dumped the mag with his "long finger?" If so, find another index for it and practice those transitions to pistol or knife. - 5.10 - 1st man in just got smoked by the far left target, penetrated the room too quickly. It's too small for both of you to clear from the looks of it. - [COMPLETE] Good stuff, watching the longer video it looks like this is a prepper group training? |
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Post by waffenmacht on Oct 20, 2014 5:26:26 GMT -5
USMC0331,
Thanks for taking the time to review the footage. I will try to reply/address each of the points you mentioned:
.58 - True, but he was close enough to get hits.
1.07 - Agreed, he has sling issues and that was a poor secondary draw.
1.35 - At this point in the drill, the shooters assume there is no enemy contact, and no threats present. Everyone is allowed to take as much time as is needed to consolidate magazines and square away gear. However, in the future, it may be a good idea to instruct the shooters to take cover at this stage of the course.
1.36 - Good point, see above
1.44 - Yes it was, and every shooter should be so cognizant
2.24 - ? Maybe you can elaborate? Did you mean dragman?
2.30 - Agreed...For safety purposes, we were only allowing one shooter to engage at a time, but we will tweak/clarify these instructions.
3.30 - Agreed. I personally spend alot of time running dragman, therefore I spend alot of time watching the squad's 6. I am certainly open to suggestions on how to watch our 6 and move in a more stable/secure manner. For the record, when I ran this course, I busted my a$$...twice!
3.50 - Good catch. I will review this with the shooter. Thanks
4.30 - Agreed
4.44 - Maybe. This shooter has an issue dumping mags. I've assumed it was from failing to "push-pull" after reloading. But he is running a KAC rifle that has ambi everything....he could very well be pressing a mag release when stressed. I will review with the shooter.
5.10 - It is tight, but the second shooter could have tucked in closer and cleared the left a bit quicker, something I will bring up.
Prepper group training... We are careful not to categorize and put labels on our purpose. We try to stay "open minded". We had some newer shooters mixed in that were not completely squared away (weapons manipulation and gear-wise) as well as some seasoned shooters that have been doing this for a while. We just invite those that are "like minded individuals"....One of those things that...well... you know it when you see it.
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