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Aug 13, 2014 14:40:26 GMT -5
Post by panzer0170 on Aug 13, 2014 14:40:26 GMT -5
Not sure if this drops under AC Concept or here, but my question is as follows:
Other than running a rifle/handgun, basic fire and manoeuvre and medical skills, what ELSE do we think are valuable skills, why, and (if you're providing more than one, or we get a big list together of useful things to learn...) what order of importance (for a generic environment - obv some stuff is going to change based on environment, time of year etc..) do they have?
I'll start, with a couple of obvious ones - Navigation & Communication. Personally I'd place navigation above communication unless you're working in a large group and intend to spread out over a large area or conduct a shit-ton of roving patrols, though I could see why it'd be more important depending on environment/scenario. I think navigation is vital, even if what YOU deem navigation is getting to know your area so well that you perhaps don't NEED to look at a map and compass to get from A to B...
Hopefully there might be a few skills that people are training because of their environment that might be of use to others, and perhaps even be something to develop into a bit of a hobby!
Look forward to hearing everyones ideas, especially if anyone has any wacky ones that aren't readily obvious, and niche stuff that others might have overlooked.
- Panz
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Aug 13, 2014 19:01:02 GMT -5
Post by Erick on Aug 13, 2014 19:01:02 GMT -5
i think you hit the most important ones already.
Maybe add basic mechanical skills or even machinist skills would be good to fix guns and other stuff post-SHTF
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 13, 2014 19:24:04 GMT -5
E&E
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Aug 14, 2014 8:33:05 GMT -5
Post by panzer0170 on Aug 14, 2014 8:33:05 GMT -5
Care to expand? E&E covers a whole range of stuff, and perhaps some isn't so pertinent in an armed citizen concept as it is for military (and perhaps some things work, but need to be adapted). Definitely important, but different peoples concept of E&E is vastly different (I can tell you the US & UK methods are different, for a start, from a military standpoint. I'd be interested to see if anyone has adapted and HOW they've adapted what they know I'm also going to add: Climbing. Perhaps not pertinent in a lot of places, but definitely has potential in urban and rocky/mountainous environments. I think it's VERY niche, but definitely adds a string to the bow, allowing you to access places (cover, places you can SLEEP and know you're safe) that no one else (less helicopter equipped types) can get to etc. Kayaking &/or canoeing: Depending on what you have in the way of water near you, be it coastal, river, or massive lakes, it makes an excellent transport and load carriage system. (Also an excellent way to cache things, if you can guarantee a water tight seal...) If you live up-river of a safe area, and there are no rapids that you will struggle with, this is nearly effort free method of covering some extreme distance (it's basically the water equivalent of a bike, but easier yet) It also offers access to areas that are considerably harder to get to by foot (coves, riverbanks etc) and in general just more transport, that doesn't need fuel etc to keep it going.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 14, 2014 13:57:56 GMT -5
@panzer...so true, E&E can mean many things. I look at it as a multi-task....nav skills, concealment skills, certain degree of bushcraft/survival skills, physical fitness for climbing, descending, swimming, running, etc., and some H2H skills.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:06:13 GMT -5
Post by winter on Aug 14, 2014 23:06:13 GMT -5
Wilderness survival skills. They allow one to carry next to nothing and remain effective.
Check out Hiroo Onoda.
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Aug 14, 2014 23:18:08 GMT -5
Post by winter on Aug 14, 2014 23:18:08 GMT -5
i think you hit the most important ones already. Maybe add basic mechanical skills or even machinist skills would be good to fix guns and other stuff post-SHTF yeah. Electrical, carpentry, mechanics, engineering. For instance; if you know how interior walls are built, you know that being locked in a room means nothing. It is remarkably easy to go through sheetrock walls.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 15, 2014 14:14:36 GMT -5
...For instance; if you know how interior walls are built, you know that being locked in a room means nothing. It is remarkably easy to go through sheetrock walls. Agree. Although, knowing the approx. age of the home/building will help as well. I live in a pre-1900 home. It has had a lot of changes throughout it's life. Some walls are built from Sheetrock, and some are made of the old lath and plaster. The studs of the old home are true 2"x4" and solid hard pine. If you tried to kick or shoulder your way through one of the old walls, you may put a shoulder out or be there kicking for a while to breakthrough the plaster and then the lath. The studs in the old walls have to be pre-drilled to accept a nail. I've bent many of 16d nails over the years. It's easy to tell the difference if you have a knife or other item you can scrape with. The lath and plaster will scrape off shavings of plaster, where the Sheetrock won't. Of course, tapping on the wall there is a distinct sound difference as well. The newer homes have a horizontal fire break about halfway up the wall that is nailed between the studs, so going lower or higher on this wall will be easier. In my home, there are no fire breaks as it is a balloon construction. Just a FYI if you've never seen the inside of an older homes walls.
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Aug 15, 2014 14:53:44 GMT -5
Post by panzer0170 on Aug 15, 2014 14:53:44 GMT -5
Agree. Although, knowing the approx. age of the home/building will help as well. I live in a pre-1900 home. It has had a lot of changes throughout it's life. Some walls are built from Sheetrock, and some are made of the old lath and plaster. The studs of the old home are true 2"x4" and solid hard pine. If you tried to kick or shoulder your way through one of the old walls, you may put a shoulder out or be there kicking for a while to breakthrough the plaster and then the lath. The studs in the old walls have to be pre-drilled to accept a nail. I've bent many of 16d nails over the years. It's easy to tell the difference if you have a knife or other item you can scrape with. The lath and plaster will scrape off shavings of plaster, where the Sheetrock won't. Of course, tapping on the wall there is a distinct sound difference as well. The newer homes have a horizontal fire break about halfway up the wall that is nailed between the studs, so going lower or higher on this wall will be easier. In my home, there are no fire breaks as it is a balloon construction. Just a FYI if you've never seen the inside of an older homes walls. This is something I wouldn't even have considered. Our houses here are predominantly brick/stone, and smaller. There's always a window to go through, and trying to go through a wall would be a bad choice. BECAUSE of that, I'd never try going through a wall in the US. (Hell, this is useful just for housefires, nevermind SHTF/WROL/any 'armed' scenarios.
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Post by winter on Aug 15, 2014 21:44:13 GMT -5
It's an example of "knowledge is power" as it relates to skill sets beneficial to our hypothetical needs.
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Aug 16, 2014 8:59:14 GMT -5
Post by panzer0170 on Aug 16, 2014 8:59:14 GMT -5
It's an example of "knowledge is power" as it relates to skill sets beneficial to our hypothetical needs. Totally agree. That's why I ask as many bone questions as I can. There's a lot of stuff that seems obvious to a lot of people, but as much as people try and compare US and UK culture... we are MILES apart. (For example - the fifth amendment. HERE the Miranda warning states 'it may harm your defence if you do not mention something which you later rely upon in court' - TOTALLY the opposite of how US law works, from how I understand it. So if you have an Alibi, you are required to give it. If you don't say something and then later when it gets to court you go 'Oh, and by the way, I was here and here's video evidence', well... tough. Should've told us in the first place.) It's trying to learn all these little things and differences that I think are my main goal, and I try to drop them in where possible so I can learn as much as possible to give me a good footing, for when I move.
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