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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 21, 2014 17:42:49 GMT -5
I like it...I used to use OD a lot. Still use it a little. I live in Texas where there is a lot of cedar but also a lot of dirt and dry areas...multicam works very well for going in and out of the cedar bush...darker colors and darker greens work great in the cedar but make you stand out when you're not around it or in it. Multicam arid might be a slightly better choice but multicam is already here and great gear in 500D and Tyr Tactical's PV material are already standard items. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like since green is most visible on the color spectrum to the human eye, it would make sense that browns blend better with greens than greens do with browns. Also, light colors would seem to blend better in darker areas than dark colors...i.e. woodland may not blend in with the 'khaki colored' hay and grass we have down here. In any case I think there is a reason why most animals are brown or grey...those are more neutral colors which blend very well as the eye doesn't pick them up as well as it does green...even some of those pics from max velocity show green rucks standing out on a mostly brown and black dirt earth... With multicam it's a very dull green so it can blend when needed. Just my thoughts Definitely some good thoughts in there - the trick is trying to work out at what range camouflage is intended to be used. I know UK DPM's 'minimum' effective range is rated as 100m. It's designed to be used in Europe, out in the open, and with the concept that you should be shooting at whatever it is you're trying to hurt before you get within 100m. It's only really recently that there's been a prevalence of fighting so close. A lot of the colour theory to do with green works well on green - part of the problem is psychology based colour theory - green moving? leaves, wind. brown moving.... but trees stay still. Everything is compromise, but you definitely raise some good points.
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Post by Hawkeye on Aug 23, 2014 14:06:39 GMT -5
Playing with a little OCP.....
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Post by norinco on Sept 9, 2014 8:06:02 GMT -5
I'm a fan of multicam here. Unintentionally at first, I noticed that a lot of my gear was piling up in multicam. It's commonly available from every vendor and it works as well as anything else does around here. I have not gotten around to ordering any uniforms in it yet. I've been waiting to see them sold on the surplus market.
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Post by Diz on Sept 11, 2014 7:50:01 GMT -5
You might have waited too long.
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Post by norinco on Sept 11, 2014 16:00:12 GMT -5
Are you saying because of the Army adoption of Scorpion as the new Multicam?
I was basing my observation based upon inspections of local surplus store inventory and browsing eBay.
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Post by Hawkeye on Sept 24, 2014 15:53:07 GMT -5
Nah, its because lots of folks have caught on to the surplus scene and have been buying it up.....fast.
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Post by Diz on Oct 3, 2014 10:11:34 GMT -5
Yeah OCP has really dried up recently. Hopefully another cycle will hit soon. Be that as it may, the Propper NYCO cammies are still a good choice.
On another note, I have noticed that multicam actually works a lot better than I initially thought. It keeps surprising me with how effective it really is. I think some of this stems from how it is perceived in bright sunlight, out in the open, vs how it looks at night (with say 1/4 moon) in a woodland forest. Even visually, the perceived "lightness" of the pattern (compared to say woodland) is not a factor, when viewed under actual field conditions. The overall effect doesn't "bloom" visually, like the DCU's for instance. It actually blends down with the light conditions. I'm not an engineer, I don't know why this is. But I know it works. It holds a nice contrast between the green and brown segments, with the black really contrasting well. Very similar to the old ERDL pattern. So there might be something said about how a pattern looks in actual use, vs how it looks on the hanger.
I know it sounds crazy, but I think it actually shifts colors, depending on how it's being viewed. In daylight, it looks lighter, in darkness, it looks darker. In a green environment, it looks more green (see picture of Hawkeye above). In a brown one, more brown (look at pics of guys in arid land, for example, the pic on the back of Kyle Lamb's "Green Eyes and Black Rifles"). I guess you could say this also applies to just about any camo pattern, and how it interacts with light levels, and colors. But I think the MC has an edge because of the way the colors and pattern are so inter-mixed, almost seemingly at random. (And I laugh when I hear the Army has decided to "simplify" this with it's Scorpion pattern.) I think this was the genius with the original ERDL pattern, which got diluted with the follow-on BDU pattern, when the pattern was enlarged and simplified. So business as usual.
Then there's NIR. Again surprisingly effective. I originally thought there was not enough contrast, especially with the black segments. But on further examination, I have found it actually works pretty damn well. In a monotone world, of light green, the pattern holds up pretty good, with the browns and greens having just enough contrast to show as different shades, and the black segments, although not as good as say woodland or DPM, are surprisingly effective in breaking up the overall pattern.
I think a lot of my dislike came from the fact that this was a pattern worn by the elite, and was wildly popular in some circles as a symptom of hero-worship. Now that it has been issued to all the troops, as a standard overseas camo, I find myself taking another look at it, perhaps more fairly this time.
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Post by eddiewouldclearhot on Oct 4, 2014 19:57:54 GMT -5
Yes, I've definitely noticed how it seems to "shift colors" not crazy, just a by product of the blending I guess.
Yea, its kinda tactical gucci... but it still works, and its plenty available right now... and I don't think it going away anytime soon.
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