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Post by omnivorous on Jul 1, 2014 13:58:50 GMT -5
So, in the vein of getting kit put together for everyday wear, and more likely to use than full-on open combat rig, I've been eye-ing this system for the everyday carrying of an minimalist trauma kit. www.roguegunfighter.com/index.php/shop/medkits/no-vis-medkit-detailIf you're preparing to potentially put holes in some assailant, you should probably learn how to plug them in yourself or some other innocent. It does you little good to have the kit back in your car, if you can't conceal it well enough or you've got more stuff in it than you'd want to lug around a shopping mall. Thoughts?
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 1, 2014 14:46:15 GMT -5
Addressing this less from the medical side and more from the practical EDC side: Disadvantages - 1) No use with shorts/close fitting trousers (dress trousers, for example) 2)Depending on contents (assuming you're going to get an empty one, and pick contents) that thing could get annoying on the ankle (YMMV, it would do my nut in...) Advantages - 1)More belt space/Nothing hanging off your belt you don't want there. 2)There are probably other advantages. I just can't think of any. I would say that it very much depends on what you wear, on a daily basis, and season. If you're in a climate where you can wear a coat most days and you're not going to get too warm, I would consider something with a few pockets, and maybe seperate some of the stuff out. Perhaps a TW in a trouser pocket so you ALWAYS have it, with bigger less immediate items stashed in the coat. Items might be grouped in one pocket, or spread throughout (depending on what else you carry all day, every day). On top of that, it'll save you $50. Perhaps you could tell us what you're likely to be using it with, and what sort of climates/weather? PS: $50 for an empty container seems steep, for something so small. Maybe it's not but just an observation
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Post by USMC0331 on Jul 1, 2014 18:08:18 GMT -5
Having attempted to EDC an ankle holster in the past, I would agree that it's not the most optimal place to carry. My Low-Pro BOK is a SWATT and Cerlox (recommend battle gauze) that fits flush in a back pocket. Check ITS tactical for a premade kit if you don't want to do your own shopping (recommend chinookmedical.com) but even if you don't mind the ankle rig, if you wear shorts at all it is not going to be universally carried.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 1, 2014 18:19:05 GMT -5
@usmc - sounds pretty much like what I was thinking, didn't realise they did something that small that covers the bases. Very tidy.
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Post by USMC0331 on Jul 1, 2014 18:25:08 GMT -5
ITS has a nice kit but it's overpriced IMO. You can buy your own stuff cheaper and sew a bag for it if ya got sewing skilz or a wife that does.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 1, 2014 18:33:07 GMT -5
To cross-post a little bit, if a SWAT-T was the specific type of TQ I was carrying, then I might consider carrying one even in SHTF, because that thing is about as minimal as I've ever seen, and simple CAN'T take up much space. One question though; What's it like to use? (One, two handed? How about on yourself?)
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Post by USMC0331 on Jul 1, 2014 18:36:11 GMT -5
It's a compromise and poor choice for self administration. I use them as a compression bandage with the option of a "T" if needed.
For minimal EDC BOK I compromise and use one for both, For anything above an EDC kit I carry a CATT also.
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 1, 2014 21:01:12 GMT -5
panzer0170Well, for one, I don't wear skinny jeans. However, I do wear jeans almost all of the time, even in FL, along with ankle-high boots. I also have my dress pants cut a little loose and long, for comfort of movement, so I don't think I'll have an issue in that regard. So, I'm not going to look like I'm walking around with what looks like s super house arrest anklet. I only have a 34" waist, so belt space is a premium for me, not to mention, I don't think I could reasonably conceal a minimalist IFAK on an EDC belt. From my online research, either CATs or SOFT-Ts seem to be the way to go when it comes to TQs. I'd intend the kit for everyday carry, just like my flashlight, multitool, pocket knife, and other stuff. usmc0331I've never tried an ankle holster, but have thought about it for a back-up gun. I've tried and failed to get a shoulder rig to work for me, so I'll just have to try it out, in that regard. I don't really like to carry stuff around in my back pockets, I can barely stand my wallet being back there. The full kit looks like a relatively good deal, though, I haven't price-shopped the individual items to see if I get the total price of the kit down; which I will try to do.
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Post by USMC0331 on Jul 1, 2014 23:26:56 GMT -5
I hear you on the back pocket carry. Carhartt cargo pants are my answer, but my job and OA allow for that to look in place, YMMV
I only carry ankle (S&W442) in Biachi 150 (way lighter than my old Alessi) and that's only when I'm in a NPE.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 2, 2014 8:22:45 GMT -5
omnivorous Good. I hate skinny jeans. Every pair of jeans in the UK is skinny jeans at the moment. Even the ones with like 40 inch waists. I have huge thighs but a 36" waist, and finding jeans that work is a f*cking nightmare. What about the shoulder rig fails? Is it the drawing of the gun? Perhaps an IFAK/BOK setup right might work in the same place? I'm assuming you don't habitually carry a bag around with you, otherwise it'd be in there?
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 2, 2014 12:12:33 GMT -5
panzer0170Regarding shoulder rig fails... I didn't realize it at first, but apparently, I don't have a lot of depth to my upper torso. The main problem stemmed from front-to-back printing, even with a Glock 19. I was using a Galco Jackass rig, with the downward draw mag carrier and the angled holster. I got it to fit well, and could draw from it just fine, but it prints to the point to were I'd get really self conscious about it. So, now the shoulder rig is on bump-in-the-night duty. I have thought about putting together some kind of go/edc/travel/book bag, but that's a story for another thread. usmc0331I don't have the sewing skillz, so I'm dependent upon companies to do that for me. Rig IFAK pouches seem to run from $30-$80, so the No Viz seems to be right in the middle. Its not like I'd have to leave it around my ankle, if I ever had to use it either. It can be taken off and laid-out, and put right back on. Not unlike the some of the better designed rig IFAK pouches.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 2, 2014 12:17:36 GMT -5
@ominvorous - Fair enough, that'd make sense with a 34" waist that you'd have a skinny frame. I think perhaps given YOUR current scenario it might be the best option. It's certainly the only one I've seen that fits all the criteria you've got as far as location/printing etc. What/How much would you be running inside it? I think if you keep it down to a bare minimum (TQ & Hemostatic gauze?) then you're on to a winner.
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 2, 2014 13:00:12 GMT -5
panzer0170Well, first off, I'm more than certain I'm going to put a safety cutter in it, instead of rescue sheers. Probably, either a Benchmade 7 or 8. Their product demo videos are very impressive. There may not be a weight savings, but there would definitely be space savings. Then a TQ, probably a SOFT-T, because they fold up flatter than CATs, then some petroleum gauze, hemostatic gauze, and a dressing, preferable an Israeli bandage. I like Izzy's for their versatility, but they seem too big for this application, though, they do also seem to be packaged quite compactly. I won't know until I get one and try it out. Also, an NPA and lube, maybe even a decompression needle. I may not have training in all of that kit, but someone else may, and it could be just what the need to treat someone else or me. I don't know about including a chest seal, since I've read that when they're folded, they're effectiveness is rather reduced, and it looks like the one which is advertized with the No Viz is folded twice in order to fit. I might not include the petroleum gauze, if it would mean I could fit the Izzy better, or at all. The combat casualty card and glow sticks seem like a good idea, too. I don't want to over do it, given the location the kit would be carried, and for concealment concerns, but I'd like to cover the big 3.
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Post by panzer0170 on Jul 2, 2014 13:25:15 GMT -5
omnivorousSafety cutter is a good choice. A lot less bulk and also has other uses (what with it being designed for cutting seatbelts etc, can be used 1 handed -to a degree-). I honestly don't think weight is, as such, a problem. So long as the weight is close in, and secure, not flappy, you'll be fine. I totally get the carrying stuff you don't know how to use (because others DO!). As far as chest seals go... Hasty chest seal by taping 3 sides of the packaging for an FFD has always been the quickest way without carrying a dedicated one, that I know of at least. You retain the capability but you'll need a roll of tape in their to seal the thing, so you MIGHT end up adding bulk there, depending on what tape you can find/use. The Isreali dressings come in 2 sizes, and the smaller one is still relatively effective, and quite compact. Definitely better than nothing, but you'd have to see as far as bulk on the ankle goes. CC-Card, I assume is an aide memoire for battlefield first aid? Definitely worth having, esp. if you can fold it down and slip it at the back of something. Even if it's your own version, perhaps with just the pertinent points that YOU might need (Depending on your level of experience, half the stuff on the card might not be of use, and so you can make the whole card smaller by getting rid, depending on format.) Not entirely sure what you'd want glowsticks for in a non-mil situation, but if you can get some of the tiny inch or so long ones that are good for tucking under helmet straps/into molle loops they'd be fine and take up no room whatsoever if you DO have a use for them.
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Post by omnivorous on Jul 2, 2014 13:43:30 GMT -5
panzer0170Thanks for your thoughts! Definitely need to look into the smaller Izzys! One can take some duct tape, I'd probably use Gorilla Tape for this application, off of the packaging roll and wrap it around a piece of card stock to make it flatter. Oh, I know, I could do just that, use some plastic card stock and wrap the tape around that. Boom, improvised chest seal and tape holder! Yeah, the care card is just in case I'm hurt so bad I might pass out, or to put on someone I've treated or assisted in treating. Emergencies are confusing affairs, and delay of treatment can be as much of a killer, because the emergency responders are busy assessing a victim who can be triaged to a lower priority. If a regular card doesn't take up much room, and it probably won't, I'll included it. True, there may be some information beyond my capabilities and equipment, but I'll just learn where the pertinent info is on it; its just a matter of equipment familiarization. The glow sticks would be for hands free illumination. It may be dark, and I'll probably need both hands. I'll probably string a couple of smaller ones together, so I could wear it around my neck or hang it up on something near by.
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