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Post by Modern Minuteman on Jan 3, 2024 8:25:17 GMT -5
Doing a scenario patrol this weekend out at the farm and I am rethinking my stance on carrying a pistol as part of that kit. With winter setting in, carrying on the belt line can be problematic so I was considering carrying on my chest rig in one of the flapped magazine pouches. I did this on my fall patrol and was happy with it, but figured I would see what y'alls preferences might be with doing so.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Jan 3, 2024 8:42:36 GMT -5
Well, being a med guy I have been told that rarely I will go out on patrol. I still train for it with my tribe though. However, one guy in the tribe I respect told me the other day "I would dump your pistol if you do ever come out on patrol, as I personally would rather you use that space for more med gear."
I have been thinking about that since he said it. Now I really like my pistol for the time I may be treating a tribe member and we are rushed I would have my pistol as my go to weapon, but he pointed out that you will have your rifle. So, I will be training with slinging my rifle while treating a patient so that it is with me and not laying on the ground.
So, I have changed up my gear for the training session in a week or so. I think it will be a learning curve. I will have to try and not smack a patient with my slung rifle....
I will wait for others to chime in as well.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jan 4, 2024 15:10:19 GMT -5
Carrying and handgun is something that has developed in the last 20 yrs in square range classes that often mimic swat teams and/or SF door kickers from the GWOT. So many don't realize that in the military, statistically virtually no one carries a handgun. Now, as I am always saying, we aren't military and don't necessarily want to copy them verbatim, but, there are things to consider. Mainly, I'd rather have more water or ammo. The odds of your rifle failing if you have it properly tested ahead of time, are arguably less than the chance of a handgun failing. On foot in rural (or even semi rural) terrain, the rifle and water will be far more important. If I know I am going to be out overnight, I do like the idea of carrying a small handgun in my pack, that I can tuck in with me while sleeping, but it stays in the pack otherwise. Now if I were going to be doing things in/around buildings i.e. a direct assault on something, or even on static guard duty, then I do wear one. That's why I have a different gear setup for general use vs guard duty/buldings/direct assault.
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Post by Modern Minuteman on Jan 4, 2024 15:34:10 GMT -5
Carrying and handgun is something that has developed in the last 20 yrs in square range classes that often mimic swat teams and/or SF door kickers from the GWOT. So many don't realize that in the military, statistically virtually no one carries a handgun. Now, as I am always saying, we aren't military and don't necessarily want to copy them verbatim, but, there are things to consider. Mainly, I'd rather have more water or ammo. The odds of your rifle failing if you have it properly tested ahead of time, are arguably less than the chance of a handgun failing. On foot in rural (or even semi rural) terrain, the rifle and water will be far more important. If I know I am going to be out overnight, I do like the idea of carrying a small handgun in my pack, that I can tuck in with me while sleeping, but it stays in the pack otherwise. Now if I were going to be doing things in/around buildings i.e. a direct assault on something, or even on static guard duty, then I do wear one. That's why I have a different gear setup for general use vs guard duty/buildings/direct assault. This makes sense... I normally don't carry a pistol, but like I mentioned above, I did on a fall patrol in a chest rig but it did take the place of a rifle magazine. So there was a definite tradeoff on doing so. We're on the same page for having a small handgun for overnight patrols for keeping while sleeping. I make a normal practice of this out at camp anyways. The one perspective I keep coming back to is if one needs to ditch gear, for whatever reason, to go into a more "non permissive" environment that having a concealed handgun would make sense. But then again, it depends on the mission all together, if that is even a possibility to warrant such a move. Anyways, I appreciate the perspective guys! |
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Post by Hawkeye on Jan 4, 2024 18:12:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't think of a situation where I'd be out on a patrol or similar on our property, where'd I'd need to go from what I was wearing to do that, to attire that a concealed handgun would be appropriate, without going back to home base first.
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Post by Modern Minuteman on Jan 4, 2024 18:54:48 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't think of a situation where I'd be out on a patrol or similar on our property, where'd I'd need to go from what I was wearing to do that, to attire that a concealed handgun would be appropriate, without going back to home base first. Agreed... |
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Post by deltalima69 on Jan 6, 2024 6:05:28 GMT -5
I've been leaning on the pistol going to the pack or not at all.
To save weight and make room for more sustainment stuff( water) and ammo or specialty gear for a patrol.
Even carted to the idea of a sub compact vs full size.
Then I started thinking on knives...fighting vs utility etc.
I mean I carry a g81 and Gerber to get the best of both worlds
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Post by corvus on Jan 7, 2024 22:19:58 GMT -5
My uncle ( Mother's brother ) was an Army combat medic during the tet offensive. He started out with a M16 and said the 3 prong flash hider hung on so much stuff he switched to the M79 ..... quickly learned he could not use it close enough....then only carried a 1911 from then on.
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Post by DBD on Jan 7, 2024 22:34:45 GMT -5
My uncle ( Mother's brother ) was an Army combat medic during the tet offensive. He started out with a M16 and said the 3 prong flash hider hung on so much stuff he switched to the M79 ..... quickly learned he could not use it close enough....then only carried a 1911 from then on. M79 is a heck of a choice for a PDW. |
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Post by Modern Minuteman on Jan 11, 2024 12:51:50 GMT -5
If I know I am going to be out overnight, I do like the idea of carrying a small handgun in my pack, that I can tuck in with me while sleeping, but it stays in the pack otherwise. . So to come back to this... I did end up packing a .22 pistol on this last weekends property patrol and used it. I kept it in my pack and while out Saturday we were talking with the property owner and he had told us that his 2 sons were squirrel hunting the day before, well, we just happened to come across a squirrel that one of the boys had shot but couldn't find. It was still alive but in a slow twitch dying. So I put the little guy out of his obvious misery. The hunter in me hates to see an animal suffering towards death, especially when it is suffering because of a non lethal shot. There are different ways of handling such things but for the type of patrol we were conducting, it was ok to take this action. If anything, it is a show of force type patrol where it is a good thing for folks to know that you are maintaining an active presence. |
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