Shooting from the prone and wearing a chest rig.

[Hawkeye]

[panzer0170]

I wear mine even higher than shown in the video; it's a minuteman so I can't open it but there is NO need to. My only argument against chest rigs these days really is that they are sub optimal for long term load bearing because it's all weighted on your shoulders not your hips. With that said, I don't envision long term 'ops' using a chest rig AND the UW style (and others like them) of carrying bare minimum helps mitigate that problem. Mine carries 6 mags. If I had my way it'd carry 4 but I can't get away with that for work purposes so 6 it is, which unfortunately sees it relegated to driving tasks. Goddamned liability is a PITA, when you're carrying your own weight in 'life saving' gear that makes you slow as hell.

[ulf]

Working with your gear under real world conditions is the only way to know what works and what doesn't!

Most of the Internet complainers haven't and won't - they'll just repeat what they heard from some other Internet "expert".

I like chest rigs for rucking and mounted ops. I prefer split front for ease of donning and ventilation.

Foot mobile - I'll use an LBV or chest rig depending on the particular mission and it's duration.

[Erick]

I have a Swampfox in ATACS FG I really like (Thanks Hawk!)
It ventilates up front...and the mags sit a bit more to the side than most chestrigs kinda like the style of a FLC (which I also like)

Actually like the old school battle belts such as an ALICE and have on at the BOL where I woulkd likely do mostly dismounted OPS.
Getting to the BOL chest rig for work from the truck.
Also think Panzers remarks are spot on (as so often!)

[judomayhem]

Seemed to work well for the Rhodesians. But maybe keyboard warriors know more about infantry work....

[panzer0170]

FLC?

[protus]

Jun 2, 2017 0:11:10 GMT -5 panzer0170 said:

FLC?

Fighting load carrier.
Think American version of the old lbt "sas"vest. Open back.suspended strapped mesh vest front. Two/3 fastex or zipper to close and open. Down your sternum line.


I've got both split front UW rigs and the old style 4 cell.
I love the 4 cell for how low profile it is.
I can wear it under a baggy short..and it doesn't show.(used to jog like that ). Lol 

[Erick]

Jun 1, 2017 23:55:44 GMT -5 judomayhem said:

Seemed to work well for the Rhodesians. But maybe keyboard warriors know more about infantry work....

Just because someone made something work historically does not mean it can't be sub-optimal for ,many applications.. including those it was used for before.

Unless you are suggesting just because the RLI was so successful all their kit must forever be considered the best and most optimal for any and all Infantry work?

It reminds me of the argument I heard  a couple of decades ago when it came to infantry caliber. where folks pointed out that the short engagement distances in most terrain but especially heavily vegetated terrain favor the lighter round.

To this one commenter replied.. " But Guadalcanal was kinda on the jungly side"  and his intent was to "prove" that the M1 battle rifle configuration with its full powered round works great and is superior to the smaller round because "we" won that battle...

Of course it proved no such thing, since their opposing number were also equipped with full powered rifles...(and mostly bolt actions to boot).

Same here w/ rigs...just because a certain configuration has been used successfully in the past does not mean that configuration is beyond an appraisal and analysis.

Also about "keyboard commandos" that an easy thing to throw out.. but this is not a plinking forum and the members here are serious and smart.
In order to perform an analysis you do not have to be a practicing infantryman ( though a good familiarity with the business must be there)
Remember Captain BH Liddel Hart?
One of the most foremost military strategists of the 20th Century, required/recommended reading at Sandhurst, USMA and US ROTC.. yet he never pulled a rifles trigger against any OPFOR, ever.

Does that mean his salient points should have been dismissed and ignored from the get-go?

[panzer0170]

Jun 2, 2017 14:43:01 GMT -5 Erick said:

Jun 1, 2017 23:55:44 GMT -5 judomayhem said:

Seemed to work well for the Rhodesians. But maybe keyboard warriors know more about infantry work....

Just because someone made something work historically does not mean it can't be sub-optimal for ,many applications.. including those it was used for before.

Unless you are suggesting just because the RLI was so successful all their kit must forever be considered the best and most optimal for any and all Infantry work?

It reminds me of the argument I heard  a couple of decades ago when it came to infantry caliber. where folks pointed out that the short engagement distances in most terrain but especially heavily vegetated terrain favor the lighter round.

To this one commenter replied.. " But Guadalcanal was kinda on the jungly side"  and his intent was to "prove" that the M1 battle rifle configuration with its full powered round works great and is superior to the smaller round because "we" won that battle...

Of course it proved no such thing, since their opposing number were also equipped with full powered rifles...(and mostly bolt actions to boot).

Same here w/ rigs...just because a certain configuration has been used successfully in the past does not mean that configuration is beyond an appraisal and analysis.

Also about "keyboard commandos" that an easy thing to throw out.. but this is not a plinking forum and the members here are serious and smart.
In order to perform an analysis you do not have to be a practicing infantryman ( though a good familiarity with the business must be there)
Remember Captain BH Liddel Hart?
One of the most foremost military strategists of the 20th Century, required/recommended reading at Sandhurst, USMA and US ROTC.. yet he never pulled a rifles trigger against any OPFOR, ever.

Does that mean his salient points should have been dismissed and ignored from the get-go?

I think he might just have been echoing Hawkeye's statements from the video & giving an example of when they did work well, to be fair

though my experience of Rhodesian gear mostly reminds me of the vest-come-belt type rig with the two massive water carriers. Both ideal for the fireforce style smash and go raid from helis.