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Post by amalynn on May 16, 2017 19:05:42 GMT -5
Anybody happen to know where to find a camo smock along the lines of the WWII German ones? I know IMA ran a reproduction run of them, but I can't find any more anywhere, and I'd really like one, maybe even one in more modern camouflage patterns?
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Post by ulf on May 16, 2017 19:49:00 GMT -5
There are quite a few places that have repro smocks in the original patterns for more modern patterns do a search for "Mil-Tec", "Helikon" or "Arktis" smocks.
Mil-Tec should be $100 or less.
Helikon are usually $200"or less.
Arktis are usually $200-300.
Be aware that most are not waterproof so you should consider wearing the over goretex.
Buy a size or two bigger than you usually would so that you can wear it over clothing.
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Post by amalynn on May 18, 2017 4:05:04 GMT -5
There are quite a few places that have repro smocks in the original patterns for more modern patterns do a search for "Mil-Tec", "Helikon" or "Arktis" smocks. Mil-Tec should be $100 or less. Helikon are usually $200"or less. Arktis are usually $200-300. Be aware that most are not waterproof so you should consider wearing the over goretex. Buy a size or two bigger than you usually would so that you can wear it over clothing. None of those are what I'm looking for. A strict repro is going to either be super expensive and in a pattern that may not be all that useful or effective, for me, or it will not be made up to par for actual use. The "modern" ones that you recommended aren't reversible or pullovers like the WWII German ones, which is what I'm looking for. So, does anyone make a WWII German style camo smock? |
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Post by Erick on May 18, 2017 7:09:49 GMT -5
I was looking at some SS repro camo patterns that were shit-hot the other day.
They looked good and they had effectiveness youtube links to back 'em up.
Not cheap but not super spendy either.. and the vendor claimed they were serviceable go-to-war items not just for reenactments.
if I can only find that link i bet its somewhere in my humongous list of favorites
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Post by ulf on May 18, 2017 8:23:10 GMT -5
Would have been helpful to have stated your requirement for reversibility in the OP.
What sort of patterns are you looking for - spring/summer to autumn - green to snow - green to grey?
There were goretex jackets that were reversible from woodland to DCU or IR disruptive - made by Orc.
There are jackets in Realtree that reverse to Realtree Snow.
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Post by waffenmacht on May 18, 2017 9:31:26 GMT -5
At The Front makes some of the best repros available, with quality weave materials that will have some waterproofing effect with proper treatment. The cheap "Chinese" ones are usually made of lesser materials that aren't really up to mil-type use. You probably will not find one in modern patterns that are also reversible. www.atthefrontshop.com/product_p/guj2oa.htmThese patterns are very effective in woodland environments., as can be seen by a test done by yours truly and Brent0331 |
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Post by riflemaniv on May 18, 2017 18:47:31 GMT -5
I have one of the At The Front M42 reversible smocks. It's made of high quality lightweight canvas almost oilskin type material. It's amazing a 70+ year old pattern is still effective, in some cases more effective than the modern patterns. I think the one pattern fits all mentality is misguided. I think modern armies could learn something from the reversible smock. Check out the Russian Partizan M sniper suit. It's kinda a modern take on the German smocks. grey-shop.ru/Special-suits/Camouflage-suits/Partizan-M |
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Post by amalynn on May 18, 2017 19:48:12 GMT -5
At The Front makes some of the best repros available, with quality weave materials that will have some waterproofing effect with proper treatment. The cheap "Chinese" ones are usually made of lesser materials that aren't really up to mil-type use. You probably will not find one in modern patterns that are also reversible. www.atthefrontshop.com/product_p/guj2oa.htmThese patterns are very effective in woodland environments., as can be seen by a test done by yours truly and Brent0331 It's really quite impressive how well those work. Certainly would be worth the $80-90ish that ATF wants for one, especially since most seem to be seeing them as good enough for actual use beyond re-enactment. |
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Post by Erick on May 19, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -5
I have one of the At The Front M42 reversible smocks. It's made of high quality lightweight canvas almost oilskin type material. It's amazing a 70+ year old pattern is still effective, in some cases more effective than the modern patterns. I think the one pattern fits all mentality is misguided. I think modern armies could learn something from the reversible smock. Check out the Russian Partizan M sniper suit. It's kinda a modern take on the German smocks. grey-shop.ru/Special-suits/Camouflage-suits/Partizan-M Thanks! based on your post I just ordered that outfit! Love the SS patterns and since its russian sourced combat outfit "Partizan-M" no one can use it to accuse one of "Nazism" for wearing it. |
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Post by ulf on May 20, 2017 14:20:44 GMT -5
I have ABSOLUTELY no use for Nazis!
That said, Nazi is as Nazi does - if the gear works for you then let it be in spite of its origins!
Besides, the Russians have more reason than most to hate Nazis and they made it - that should tell you something!
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Post by wolffpack on Jun 7, 2017 10:42:12 GMT -5
Keep in mind that almost every bit of technology and equipment we use is a direct descendant of what the Nazis developed.
Using their technology does not equate to adopting their ideology.
The nice thing about the smocks is that they have pockets on the waist but not the chest, and so are very compatible with chest rigs and armor. The Dott-44 pattern is also a direct precursor to Flecktarn, so if you gather Flecktarn gear it works together well.
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Post by ulf on Jun 7, 2017 13:39:36 GMT -5
wolffpackOn your first point - FAR too broad a statement! While in many ways the Nazis embraced innovation, they weren't the only ones. The current state of the art in equipment is the evolution and distillation ideas and designs from MANY different sources! Agreed on your second point - just as using a rifle based on a Russian design does not equate to embracing their ideology. One should choose a camo pattern based on its suitability for the particular AO, not based on ideology, fetish or the CDI factor. Hawkeye's testing results are an excellent starting point.
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