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Post by omnivorous on Feb 20, 2017 15:02:43 GMT -5
With all of my leftover equipment from trying different styles of load carrying, I've been thinking about keeping some on as "handout" rigs. Ironically, I don't actually have the specific pieces of gear to meet the concept as I envision it, however, I have been inspired by all the extra gear I have laying around (not that I'm trying to use this post as a way to help hock any of that stuff, honest).
The concept is pretty simple, its just a minimalist combat load carrying system to go along with one, or several, of the spare rifle(s) one might have, to be handed-out to a trusted individual who is unarmed themselves, should the need arise. The rig itself should not have much beyond carrying the extra rifle mags and a blow-out kit, I would think. Not that I'm shilling for the UW Gear quad bandoleers, but slap a loaded blow-out kit onto the open MOLLE space and match the rig to a spare rifle, and the concept has pretty much been met. The bandoleer is going to be the most versatile way to carry the equipment, since clothing and body types will have the least impact upon carrying the gear, and the load can be shifted around easily as needed, much more so than a chest rig, vest, or belt rig. What all do you think would be reasonable to include in a handout rig, aside from mags and med. kit, along with which style of rig would be optimal?
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 20, 2017 17:47:03 GMT -5
Bullets. Bombs. Water. Medical.
Everything else is extraneous.
In terms of a 'do anything, fit anyone' rig, I think the 'shoulder bag' or bandoleer is the best way to guarantee that it will work for anyone, but it will not necessarily work as well as other rigs. For example a bandoleer/man bag that isn't very low profile will interfere with (some) rucksacks. If I were to offhand suggest the 'best' loadout for CHEAP in that format I'd say something like the (British) issued man bag, because it'll take up to 9 mags, smoke (if you're lucky enough to have it) and 2 grenades (again, if you're lucky enough to have them) with a large main compartment that can either be used as a dump pouch, or for any other gear a person might need (food, water, medical kit?)
If I was after something very streamlined, didn't give much of a damn about cost, and wanted JUST specifically what I named aboved? UW Bandoleer with something like a HSGI Bleeder and then a 16oz bottle pocket like what HPG do - but ideally with a flap, for the ubiquitous nalgene bottle.
Specifics aren't too important, so long as those three are present.
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Post by whitebear620 on Feb 20, 2017 19:05:54 GMT -5
I sort of already do this. I have this thing where I must have a way to carry ammo for all of the rifles in the house.
Even the 22lr bolt action has a "bandolier" on the stock that can carry 36-72 rounds.
My wife's AR has a 3 mag bandolier until I can convince her to abandon the drop leg mag carrying thing she likes and she lets me put together either a belt or chest rig for her.
Brother in-law's 15-22, which was originally mine, has a custom UW Gear 3 mag bandolier.
Then I have my APC2 (I think it's a 2) rig with three mags and a TQ on it.
Problem is now I have my 16" and my 10.5 pistol, going back and forth on getting an APC1 (again fuzzy on the number) for the pistol and slapping two SET Burro pouches and a TQ on there. Since my pistol will be a trunk/HD gun, a smaller rig to travel with it could come in handy, and it would leave me a spare rig for whatever purposes.
Long story short, I think it's a fantastic idea to have "handout rigs". This could be a use for the old rigs one acquires as they search for the right rig for them, although as mentioned a bag or bandolier can be much faster to handout to people.
My only cautions about this is that for me personally, most of my family are not gun people, they're not anti-gun, just not used to carrying or training with a weapon. And any handout rig/weapon comes with warnings and training before being handed over, unless we just haven't had time and the MZBs are on the horizons.
My personal preference is for water to be in a day pack or hydration pack, so my handout rigs won't have that on there. I do need to round up all of my spare CATs and start banding them to the rigs.
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Post by trailrunner909 on Feb 21, 2017 9:32:32 GMT -5
Chicom rigs work well for this use. They are relatively cheap, light, and can serve as a chest rig or bandolier to supplement your main rig. Type 63 for 7.62 nato mags, type 56 or 81 for AK and 5.56. Integrate well with CCW gear and most pack systems. Low profile enough to cover with a jacket if needed.
Pair a chicom with just about any backpack you have lying around and you are good to go. TQ and an Israeli bandage can go on the rig. If you have a larger ifak they can go in a cargo pocket or the backpack. Hydration can be anything that will carry water (empty soda bottles are free and efficient weight wise).
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Post by protus on Feb 21, 2017 11:18:39 GMT -5
All of my old Alice gear is in a tote.
All the newer stuff in a deployment bag.
My grab go..or sling to a buddy is a Chicom 3 cell..a Chicom 5 mag shoulder/hip bag....and I keep a dedicated x51 rig on the German load bearing belt/suspenders. Cuz..well...it's x51...lol
Besides that aussie 762...Turk 7.92 ..came with bandos...Lots of them.
My other rigs use universal pouches my hsgi.
So..they can lug a FAL..ak..ar..etc and carry loads.
Lots of molle pouches will do well for loose ammo..shotguns etc.
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Post by waffenmacht on Feb 25, 2017 11:04:03 GMT -5
All good answers really. I have a couple "lighter" chest rigs I use in my vehicle and for other special purposes, they would all double well as a "handout" rig, along with rifles to match. In each kit I've got magazines, ammo, basic medical...everything else can get tossed into a backpack.
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 27, 2017 9:16:36 GMT -5
Another suggestion is just a rugged military or military style jacket. Issued british jacket will hold you a couple of (rattly) or one (quiet) magazine per pocket, plus napoleon pockets work real nice as a makeshift dump pouch. You could easily make an SOP that med kit is all in XYZ pocket so everyone can find it, and, importantly, it's CLOTHING. Extra layer in the car in bad weather is never a bad choice.
We used to do close recce stuff with just a mag in the rifle, med kit in the right shirt pocket and a spare mag in the left shirt pocket, webbing off, just a bush hat and maybe a head and shoulders if you were being keen. Depends how far you're expecting to actually CARRY the kit.
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Post by whitebear620 on Feb 27, 2017 16:08:36 GMT -5
Another suggestion is just a rugged military or military style jacket. Issued british jacket will hold you a couple of (rattly) or one (quiet) magazine per pocket, plus napoleon pockets work real nice as a makeshift dump pouch. You could easily make an SOP that med kit is all in XYZ pocket so everyone can find it, and, importantly, it's CLOTHING. Extra layer in the car in bad weather is never a bad choice. We used to do close recce stuff with just a mag in the rifle, med kit in the right shirt pocket and a spare mag in the left shirt pocket, webbing off, just a bush hat and maybe a head and shoulders if you were being keen. Depends how far you're expecting to actually CARRY the kit. "MZBs are closing in, here mate, put on this jacket!"  It's too hot in FL for that option  Edit: I didn't mean to belittle your contribution to the thread Panzer, just trying to add my thoughts and be a smartass. |
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Post by omnivorous on Feb 27, 2017 20:11:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I think a way to carry water would be the next thing to include, after the hand-out rig itself. A surplus 2-quart canteen, with its pouch and sling, could be worn in tandem with a bandoleer or simple chest rig quite easily, I think.
To further flesh-out the concept, as I've been reading everyone's contributions to the discussion, I would not see hand-out gear being intended for use in activities beyond the property of a retreat or its immediate area. Hence, I would not want include a pack into the list of hand-out kit, unless it would be operationally prudent. At that point, a surplus assault-sized pack and a simple chest rig, would replace the bandoleer and 2-quart. Really, both sets of kit fit the general criteria, but fit respective operational niches better.
Yeah, sorry panzer, but a smock is really only a one season item, in the Sunshine state. I have learned this after my "extensive" testing (briefly wearing my Soldier 95 smock outside in the extended Summer). BTW, what's this "British issue man bag," you speak of...?
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Post by panzer0170 on Feb 28, 2017 0:45:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I think a way to carry water would be the next thing to include, after the hand-out rig itself. A surplus 2-quart canteen, with its pouch and sling, could be worn in tandem with a bandoleer or simple chest rig quite easily, I think. To further flesh-out the concept, as I've been reading everyone's contributions to the discussion, I would not see hand-out gear being intended for use in activities beyond the property of a retreat or its immediate area. Hence, I would not want include a pack into the list of hand-out kit, unless it would be operationally prudent. At that point, a surplus assault-sized pack and a simple chest rig, would replace the bandoleer and 2-quart. Really, both sets of kit fit the general criteria, but fit respective operational niches better. Yeah, sorry panzer, but a smock is really only a one season item, in the Sunshine state. I have learned this after my "extensive" testing (briefly wearing my Soldier 95 smock outside in the extended Summer). BTW, what's this "British issue man bag," you speak of...? Replace 'smock' with 'issued jungle shirt' where necessary  Manbag is just a grab bag for vehicle ops, lots going spare cause EVERYONE got one, even clerks etc. Will post a link when I get home. |
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Post by omnivorous on Mar 1, 2017 22:08:32 GMT -5
Those jungle shirts don't have as many pockets as a smock, though
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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 2, 2017 7:10:34 GMT -5
Those jungle shirts don't have as many pockets as a smock, though True, but I only ever use the bottom pockets for soft items like hat and gloves for cold weather anyway, and my most key reason is that it's a shirt. Replace the Brit issued one with a BDU shirt. How many spare shirts have you got compared to rigs? If it's basically to equip what are essentially non-fighters for defence of a static location, two pockets will give you 4 mags. Trauma gear in trouser pockets. It's not a fantastic solution, but it's an extra shirt that is vaguely NV resistant and camo, and they are cheeaaaap, especially in CS95, as it's now 'out' of service. |
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Post by RobertJ on Mar 5, 2017 9:48:13 GMT -5
To comment on the other end of this... I have way too much "surplus" gear and figured I would keep it as "Spares" or "Hand-outs". Well I had a visitor at my house that I overheard saying "this place looks like a Army surplus store". It was not meant/said to be mean or berating. That got me to thinking that I need to kull the heard. They didnt even see the totes full of "stuff" in my attic. Like most of us I get caught up in the latest greatest piece of gear/footwear/widgets.
I started clearing out some of the old boots That I was keeping in foot lockers in my attic. These were old work boots (Keen steel toe) that were wore out (soles worn completely out and or separating from tops) my thinking was if SHTF I could repurpose/hand out etc.. Of the three foot lockers I now have one foot locker with slightly used, not wore out boots. Which consist of purchases from LA Police gear close outs that I bought wore them to break in and/or didnt like, color was off etc. I also prefer 6" boots now and put two pair of like new hi-tecs combat boots in as well. I usually go through one pair of hiking boots a year and two pair of work boots)
I have tons of condor and off shore pouches/bags/belts and rigs Im thinking about giving away to members of my little group of friends if they want them. yeah they kinda work but Ive found gear that works better for me now. Just like those boxes of Holsters I cant seem to part with but the only time I look at is when I forget whats in that tote/box. Dont know why I cant part with this "stuff" but Im running out of room to put more important "stuff" like my food stores and ammo, Quite quickly i might add. Space is becoming a problem.
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Post by protus on Mar 8, 2017 13:52:11 GMT -5
Yeah even a Bdu blouse down here in July will suck dick. Lol .
I liked hawks movie on combat shirt with Bdu vest. But either way. We would still have to run a dry kit...on transition months .august /Sept you could get by with wet/damp stuff over night. Not now..
But that's why you can buy real tree camo fishing shirts or earth tones. Light..dry fast..etc.
But I think going old school ..psgat vest..no under shirt..kpot..green Ranger panties and Tevas/chacos you could still kick ass in hot weather down here.
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