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Post by omnivorous on Jan 20, 2017 22:30:31 GMT -5
Long story short, the proposal is to remove suppressors/silencers from the NFA list of things you need your parents' permission to screw on to then end of what you have Constitutionally protect right too. www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/1/12/fear-loading-duncan-carter-hearing-protection-act-of-2017/#The real questions is, who is just waiting for this to pass, before maxing-out their credit cards? Also, would you feel dick-ish for waiting until after the act would pass, to by a suppressor, thus cutting the line for those who seemingly couldn't wait and jumped into the line to spend $200 extra bucks and have it confirmed you're not already a criminal? (As all law-abiding citizens should be, before they exercise their rights.) |
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Post by Dave R on Jan 20, 2017 22:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by whitebear620 on Jan 21, 2017 9:13:06 GMT -5
Lying in wait, the extra $200 just pushed suppressors a little bit out of my budget. Plus with the legalisation, I can see suppressors getting cheaper and cheaper while quality goes up, kind of like what we've seen happen with ARs since 2003.
My 9mm doesn't have a threaded barrel, but my SR22 with a suppressor would be very enjoyable for my stepmother to shoot and one for the AR that would clamp onto the flash suppressor could be interesting.
I don't feel guilty because a good number of the ones waiting now knew that a bill was coming if it gets passed, many companies have said that they will be the first ones to get suppressors over all of the people ordering after the bill is passed.
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Post by otis on Jan 21, 2017 13:20:20 GMT -5
bet prices will skydive if it passes.
i'm not begging anybody for permission.
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 21, 2017 13:55:59 GMT -5
bet prices will skydive if it passes. i'm not begging anybody for permission. Heck, not having to pay for the $200 permission slip would be enough of a price drop for me. I would think the prices for suppressors would certainly go down, should the act pass and get enacted. Removing the .gov price controls, which is what the NFA list is all about, in my opinion, to make particular firearms and accessories so expensive and onerous to acquire, an end-run around the Constitution is performed, would be a very big step forward for 2A related rights. We may even see short-barreled rifles and shotguns removed from the NFA list further down the line as well. Big "arm brace" isn't going to like that... I don't think full-autos have much of a chance, because of the largely firearms ignorant general public and spaghetti-spine politicians. I have my eye on several suppressors at the moment.  |
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Post by whitebear620 on Jan 21, 2017 21:56:42 GMT -5
bet prices will skydive if it passes. i'm not begging anybody for permission. Heck, not having to pay for the $200 permission slip would be enough of a price drop for me. I would think the prices for suppressors would certainly go down, should the act pass and get enacted. Removing the .gov price controls, which is what the NFA list is all about, in my opinion, to make particular firearms and accessories so expensive and onerous to acquire, an end-run around the Constitution is performed, would be a very big step forward for 2A related rights. We may even see short-barreled rifles and shotguns removed from the NFA list further down the line as well. Big "arm brace" isn't going to like that... I don't think full-autos have much of a chance, because of the largely firearms ignorant general public and spaghetti-spine politicians. I have my eye on several suppressors at the moment. Ah heck dude, the general gun ignorant public already thinks all ARs are full auto already, why not just sneak that by?  |
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 22, 2017 0:05:56 GMT -5
Ah heck dude, the general gun ignorant public already thinks all ARs are full auto already, why not just sneak that by? Might as repeal the whole NFA at that point. I don't think full-autos will ever be treated the same a semi's. There is just too much propaganda (movies, tv shows, pop culture in general) against them. It can be effectively displayed to the firearm ignorant, that suppressors do not make a firearm into whisper- quiet assassin's tools, or that a barrel length of 16 or 18 inches is, an arbitrarily determined length for making a rifle or shotgun more or less likely to be used in the commission of a crime.
The Thompson Submachine Gun, the all too often portrayed weapon of choice of Prohibition Era mobsters, has a barrel length of 10.5" and is full-auto only. Perhaps this particular firearm was emblematic in the decision-making process, but attempting to use legislation (ink printed on paper) to get known, hardened criminals, awash in illicit cash made through an artificially boosted, high-demand commodity market, created by yet other misguided legislation, will not give two shits about whether the most effective firearms they can acquire, are lawful for them to possess in the first place. The hardened criminals, the ones who will kill law enforcement officers to keep from being arrested and being imprisoned, will do and use what ever it takes keep it that way. They also have the connections to far more easily acquire such weaponry, than it would ever currently be for any non-criminal to do so. Restricting the types and features of firearms, is not an effective form of law enforcement. This has likely already been realized, by the powers at be, however, it is was likely also realized keeping such legislation in place, along with maintaining the enforcement mechanisms implemented for said legislation, is an effective method to maintain high departmental budgets as well as justify the continued existence of entire agencies.
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Post by Erick on Feb 5, 2017 7:34:06 GMT -5
^^^^ What Omni said!
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Post by waffenmacht on Feb 6, 2017 5:37:35 GMT -5
I'm not waiting, or holding my breath. $200 does not matter one way or the other to me. Ill be buying a new 762 can this month. If the HPA passes, then awesome! But I doubt prices will drop much (They've already dropped since Trump was elected.) I got my 762SDN for $650....
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Post by johnlangdon on Feb 16, 2017 11:10:27 GMT -5
Don't wait on the HPA. Just file as an individual now that the CLEO sign-off has been eliminated post 41F. Either way you'll have to wait. Current supplies won't be able to handle the demand once/if HPA passes for a while. It'll be like trying to find .22LR ammo.
Go ahead and get in line. Pay the $200 and try to get a refund if it passes.
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Post by matt on Feb 27, 2017 16:39:30 GMT -5
The suppressor market is likely going to be the wild wild west if HPA passes (which won't be for a while). You'll see an influx of small makers and high demand. There are also likely be some giants who get into the game like Ruger did last year. It will take a long time for prices to level out and for the players to settle. Right now could be the time to buy, otherwise you may have to wait out a few months or even years of instability.
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Post by johnlangdon on Feb 28, 2017 13:35:27 GMT -5
The suppressor market is likely going to be the wild wild west if HPA passes (which won't be for a while). You'll see an influx of small makers and high demand. There are also likely be some giants who get into the game like Ruger did last year. It will take a long time for prices to level out and for the players to settle. Right now could be the time to buy, otherwise you may have to wait out a few months or even years of instability. Exactly this. Get one as an individual and call it a day. With the ATF white paper "leak" which came a few days after the American Suppressor Association was there meeting with officials (coincidence?? lulz) this could mean that the ATF at least in the upper echelons has some desire to stop wasting time licking stamps. |
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