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Post by judomayhem on Jan 8, 2017 4:11:21 GMT -5
The small ALICE pack never made it past the prototype stage. Here's how to mod your medium ALICE down to the smaller, tighter configuration. Takes about five mins.
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Post by omnivorous on Mar 3, 2017 0:45:10 GMT -5
Finally got around to watching this video, that's a pretty nifty mod! I'm glad it's not a perminate mod, too.
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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 3, 2017 1:40:33 GMT -5
no real interest in medium alice till now... that could be a rather nice game changer.
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Post by judomayhem on Mar 3, 2017 11:25:12 GMT -5
I think only the OD medium ALICE has those ties inside. The "newer" (HA!) woodland ones didn't.
Originally, there were supposed to be three ALICE pack sizes. The small never made it past prototype.
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Post by omnivorous on Mar 3, 2017 12:32:54 GMT -5
I wonder why the small ALICE pack didn't make it make out of the prototype stage...
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Post by judomayhem on Mar 4, 2017 17:25:54 GMT -5
I wonder why the small ALICE pack didn't make it make out of the prototype stage... Presumably all of the decision makers are dead now, and I've never read any reason given. But I suspect that it was assumed to be a needless logistical headache. Remove the medium Alice from its frame, pack it lightly and you have the same effect. As far as I know, by the 1970's only the Rhodesians and Yugoslavians were issuing newly made small day packs. In the case of Rhodesia, it was warm enough that troops would only carry a small sleeping bag in a buttpack. And Yugoslavs were still operating in a Gen 2 warfare mindset: don't outpace your supply lines. I guess the South African Series 83 battle jacket could be lumped into there as well. The top pouch on back was for spare socks, a light jacket, and toiletries. |
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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 4, 2017 18:58:40 GMT -5
The British and the NI patrol pack in that era. But again; Designed to sit on top of webbing, and designed quite specifically for short term operations in urban environments at the end of the shortest supply chain you've ever seen in a 'war'. Best daysack I'd seen till they brought out this new patrol back that's a very nice bit of kit (Afghan issue).
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Post by whitebear620 on Mar 4, 2017 22:18:55 GMT -5
I wonder why the small ALICE pack didn't make it make out of the prototype stage... Presumably all of the decision makers are dead now, and I've never read any reason given. But I suspect that it was assumed to be a needless logistical headache. Remove the medium Alice from its frame, pack it lightly and you have the same effect. As far as I know, by the 1970's only the Rhodesians and Yugoslavians were issuing newly made small day packs. In the case of Rhodesia, it was warm enough that troops would only carry a small sleeping bag in a buttpack. And Yugoslavs were still operating in a Gen 2 warfare mindset: don't outpace your supply lines. I guess the South African Series 83 battle jacket could be lumped into there as well. The top pouch on back was for spare socks, a light jacket, and toiletries. I think another consideration is that big Army was all for the buttpack, that pretty much took the place of a day pack. |
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Post by judomayhem on Mar 5, 2017 12:57:36 GMT -5
The British and the NI patrol pack in that era. But again; Designed to sit on top of webbing, and designed quite specifically for short term operations in urban environments at the end of the shortest supply chain you've ever seen in a 'war'. Best daysack I'd seen till they brought out this new patrol back that's a very nice bit of kit (Afghan issue). Can you post pics/links to any of these? Here are the Yugo ones, for sale cheeep: swisslink.com/yugoslavian-small-canvas-backpack.html |
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Post by panzer0170 on Mar 5, 2017 17:05:31 GMT -5
www.patrolbase.co.uk/army-surplus/army-surplus-northern-ireland-plce-patrol-pack.htm#.WLyLC_mLSHsAs with basically everything british, really needs to be used with web gear if you're going to weigh it down. Good little daysack though, very basic, but very functional. Have seen modified ones with the bergan style side zips for medics as well, which are pretty neat but usually a bit more expensive. The one in the link is going for $25 at the current exchange rate, obviously shipping is an issue but you might start finding these in the US now MTP is the 'in' thing, and since the superior 45L issued patrol pack has come out and is on general issue.
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