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Post by omnivorous on Dec 15, 2016 1:06:25 GMT -5
Also, seriously consider the karrimor sf predator side panels: They are awesome organisational kit, and can be zipped off and stuck inside a daysack or zipped onto the side of a daysack depending what you're carrying. Those are pretty bitchin'.
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Post by wolffpack on Dec 15, 2016 2:27:03 GMT -5
Indeed. What sort of capacity are you thinking you''ll want? A bergan is... excessive unless you're somrwhere where you need volume for wet/cold weather gear; I could live for weeks out of smaller, on a 'uw' load and food. I can make some suggestions unless you're set on a bergan, in which case yes, grt a bergan, cut the belt off it, and if you can find some get some of the body armour clips for 'repair' buckles for the lids. Also, seriously consider the karrimor sf predator side panels: They are awesome organisational kit, and can be zipped off and stuck inside a daysack or zipped onto the side of a daysack depending what you're carrying. Bergen would be for when I need to pack cold weather gear. Sleeping bags just take up a lot of room. I have smaller packs for intermediate and light loads. I was looking at the bergens for the larger loads (though not real heavy, just bulky) because they seem to be the only large pack designed to work with belt gear (the shortback ones), other than the ancient Lg ALICE.
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 15, 2016 6:48:09 GMT -5
Also, seriously consider the karrimor sf predator side panels: They are awesome organisational kit, and can be zipped off and stuck inside a daysack or zipped onto the side of a daysack depending what you're carrying. Those are pretty bitchin'. I have two pairs - one for my hiking kit and one for soldiering, they are bombers, and I also have a couple-three of the omni pouches seperate. Takes all sorts of goodies!
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 15, 2016 6:54:31 GMT -5
Indeed. What sort of capacity are you thinking you''ll want? A bergan is... excessive unless you're somrwhere where you need volume for wet/cold weather gear; I could live for weeks out of smaller, on a 'uw' load and food. I can make some suggestions unless you're set on a bergan, in which case yes, grt a bergan, cut the belt off it, and if you can find some get some of the body armour clips for 'repair' buckles for the lids. Also, seriously consider the karrimor sf predator side panels: They are awesome organisational kit, and can be zipped off and stuck inside a daysack or zipped onto the side of a daysack depending what you're carrying. Bergen would be for when I need to pack cold weather gear. Sleeping bags just take up a lot of room. I have smaller packs for intermediate and light loads. I was looking at the bergens for the larger loads (though not real heavy, just bulky) because they seem to be the only large pack designed to work with belt gear (the shortback ones), other than the ancient Lg ALICE. Be mindful of the fit of 'normal' small capacity (30-40L) bags as well. I have a 45L issued bag (it's a karrimor predator 45, but built under contract) and it's designed to be a little more squat - wider and shirter so it doesn't interfere. I have tried my sabre, which is what I use for civvy hiking stuff, and that WILL work, but is... less than ideal if we're honest. The shorter you can go the better, really. Even the shortbacknbergan get's fussy outside if standing, when you have to start taking a knee etc.
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 15, 2016 10:38:45 GMT -5
For reference; Side Panel (standard)Side Panel (DIY)The side panel also comes in multicam but doesn't come in DPM anymore because no one with a big enough defence contract wears it anymore The standard panel also comes with a double'd version of the bottom pouch, rather than the 2 triple ammo pouches at the top. I find that I don't tend to use them for ammo (I keep 3x 2Mag pouches on the back face of my daysack) but they're good for small stuff that needs some organisation and easy access. Cyalumes, perhaps your 'big' cleaning kit, a jack flask etc... The Omni pouches, btw, take the "big"(may actually be medium?) collapsible US water bottles really nicely, due to the semi-opentop design. I have a lighter weight setup that has just the omni at the back with water, ammo left and ammo right that I can wear with just a camelbak for short term stuff, or if I'm staying still and doing something defensive and have some sort of hard standing to live out of, or vehicle to transport the 'support' gear I'd normally carry. It's not the be all end all solution for all things, but I think it IS certainly the best way to carry for extended foot patrols - We've seen over the course of Iraq/Afghan people go away from carrying stuff around the belt because we got all sorts of gucci new kit... And in the end about the only real update we've done is make PLCE MOLLE compatible and go with some options for low profile harnesses so you can work the two together. Oh, and guys have learned to only carry what they need for what they're doing, because they really are going to have to carry it everywhere, and not just for a few weeks at a time with admin breaks
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Post by omnivorous on Dec 16, 2016 19:02:53 GMT -5
I really like that predator patrol 45 liter pack. It's ability to be reduced or expanded, with the side pouches and ability to be compressed down to assault day pack size, really sold me. When I saw someone in an online video zip the zipper attachment points on the pack togethr, I thought I just watched a magic trick!
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 17, 2016 20:47:12 GMT -5
I really like that predator patrol 45 liter pack. It's ability to be reduced or expanded, with the side pouches and ability to be compressed down to assault day pack size, really sold me. When I saw someone in an online video zip the zipper attachment points on the pack togethr, I thought I just watched a magic trick! For reference, the same magic trick can be done with the bergan to make a (large) daysack, or to limit your load in summer (self discipline not included...) Seriously, I think as a generic solution to 'on foot, armed, overt', there is not MUCH to be improved on over modernised PLCE when used properly and scaled appropriately. If you are after CRAZY volumetric capacity (bulky, if not heavy gear, requirements to truly self sustain etc...) the air aupport beegan is a whole other level, especially when you factor in webbing on top of it's capacity. For me, an air support bergan, webbing and the SF side pouches with a 45L daysack INSIDE to be used would be optimal, assuming logistics to be able to dump, retreive and resupply to/from that bergan are available.
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Post by wolffpack on Dec 19, 2016 7:33:37 GMT -5
I admit that Predator 45 looks baller. I'll have to give it more thought.
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 19, 2016 10:42:16 GMT -5
I admit that Predator 45 looks baller. I'll have to give it more thought. I'm in ghe US at the moment, but I might be able to give you some example capacities and pics when I get home.
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