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Post by wolffpack on Dec 8, 2016 0:19:22 GMT -5
I have a few questions on the British plce webbing setup. First question is what is the standard setup in terms of what pouches are used? Does it have two of the ml pouch setups? How many of the water bottle vs. Utility pouch is in the standard setup? Finally the ones I've been looking on eBay app the individual water pouches have none of the elongated D rings come out to the yolk, but the ones marked as triple water pouches, or triple utility pouches, hsve the D rings to attach to the yolk on them. Are the individual pouches supposed to attach directly to the yoke, or does the yoke attach to the belt.
Sorry for any strange sentences I'm trying to use my cell phone, the internet is out for now on the computer
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 8, 2016 8:29:49 GMT -5
At work. Standby.
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 9, 2016 18:28:22 GMT -5
This will be trickle feed based on my attention span, the time available, and quite frankly, sobriety over the christmas period.
1) ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SINGLE POUCH IS NOT ACTUALLY PLCE.
2) If you have a sense of humour, this is the simple guide to a British Smock & PLCE setup assuming you are operating in a section of Infantry... But to be fair some of that information is valid in ANY scenario, IE "Do without XYZ for ABC length of time... Do you actually need it, or do you want it? What does XYZ bit of kit say about you? If you are wearing a bit of kit but aren't that kind of bloke, do you look like a knobhead?" (paraphrased...)
If you are a grownup and are not fragile, this is my version of "correct". Adjust to personal requirements, but other than personal variation this is the A++ solution to carrying kit as a rifleman (of any sort..)
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 11, 2016 4:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by wolffpack on Dec 11, 2016 15:10:08 GMT -5
Thank you, that is a huge help.
Is it safe to assume that for the UW purpose, there won't be much digging in, and it might be better to take an extra canteen than an e-tool?
Finally, I've been looking around. Would it be advisable to put together a PLCE kit, or would one of the MOLLE battle belt rigged like one be a better idea?
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Post by omnivorous on Dec 11, 2016 15:40:44 GMT -5
The best of both has already been developed by UK tactical gear makers. Here's a couple of manufacturers: www.britishtactical.comwww.jayjaysbrecon.co.uk/Mobile/3-row high, padded molle belts, with a yoke (as opposed to just suspenders), really seem to be the way to go with the concept. An old-school PLCE rig will be much cheaper, though. |
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Post by whitebear620 on Dec 11, 2016 17:19:28 GMT -5
Thank you, that is a huge help. Is it safe to assume that for the UW purpose, there won't be much digging in, and it might be better to take an extra canteen than an e-tool? Finally, I've been looking around. Would it be advisable to put together a PLCE kit, or would one of the MOLLE battle belt rigged like one be a better idea? I think that greatly depends on your AO, threats, and your available resources. I'm a big proponent of more water, but that's because I'm here in FL and it's hot a lot of the time. But you could look if there's something more compact for an E-tool or look at something like a Cold Steel shovel strapped to your pack. |
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 11, 2016 21:15:02 GMT -5
If you're going to carry a water bottle, there is nothing wrong with the E-Tool pouch. But the water bottle in there and you're good. If you need the E-Tool and you own one... fit it.  |
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 11, 2016 21:16:35 GMT -5
As far as PLCE vs Molle; If you are going to rig it the same as PLCE? Get PLCE and get a hip pad.
If you are going to rig it SIMILAR, then go molle.
What is your end goal - I might be able to SUGGEST some ideas?
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 11, 2016 22:45:36 GMT -5
The best of both has already been developed by UK tactical gear makers. Here's a couple of manufacturers: www.britishtactical.comwww.jayjaysbrecon.co.uk/Mobile/3-row high, padded molle belts, with a yoke (as opposed to just suspenders), really seem to be the way to go with the concept. An old-school PLCE rig will be much cheaper, though. As far as pouches go, the important bit for PLCE (if you're planning on going the WHOLE hog, and using appropriately sized bags etc) is the rear pouches making a shelf. What you do for 'side' pouches is quite tailorable (for ammo/rifle preferences, and whether you're going for more ammo, or something else on the other side...) |
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 11, 2016 22:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by wolffpack on Dec 14, 2016 3:09:52 GMT -5
As far as PLCE vs Molle; If you are going to rig it the same as PLCE? Get PLCE and get a hip pad. If you are going to rig it SIMILAR, then go molle. What is your end goal - I might be able to SUGGEST some ideas? My goal is to have as much on my belt as I need for a day's patrol (overnight gear will be in a pack) -- ammo, bayonet, at least one, if not two water bottles, ration, cleaning kit, other misc gear on the belt, with the option of either more rifle ammo or pistol on opposite side of main ammo pouches. I figure the e-tool can go in the big pouch on the face of the bergen, or in a pouch on my assault pack. I mean, the tri-fold shovels aren't anything that will be able to be deployed quickly as a weapon like the older shovels were. I am thinking the yoke, belt, double ammo pouch (x2 as an option for an ammo heavy load), 2 water bottle pouches, one utility pouch and hip pad ought to do it. Don't know if I can get all that on the belt so that nothing's in front of my hips, but..... |
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 14, 2016 8:12:30 GMT -5
2x double ammo, 3 water/utility (there is a difference, I'll have to go see but they're about the same, one is better though (get 3 of the better one...)) is ideal, w/ a hip pad if you want to go cheap. Everyone should be able to get 3 pouches at the rear, fatties can get four but fuck knows why anyone would want it.
If you go molle, you have some organisation options (for example ugl pouch is basically a utility pouch with a fitted Velcro divider you can stow away to use as a until pouch, or have open for ugl ammo... Or is used to seperate small kit IE cleaning kit, etc. I am NOT an advocate of med kit on PLCE, neither is most of the army. That stuff is better suited to pockets, when wearing heavy belt gear because of access issues.
Just be aware that the three rear pockets are... Not ideal for access, so anything in them should be semi-sustainment stuff, or have a buddy!
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Post by wolffpack on Dec 14, 2016 11:25:33 GMT -5
I think the utility pouches are larger, so I'd probably get 3 of them, then.
Yes, for med gear I'd probably only bungee a TQ to the yoke or belt, main trauma would probably be in thigh pockets or smock pockets. Utility pouches would just hold water bottles, and the ancillary equipment I mentioned, which should not need immediate access.
I assume you prefer the shortback bergens to rest on top of the belt kit versus the long back?
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Post by panzer0170 on Dec 14, 2016 17:02:22 GMT -5
Indeed. What sort of capacity are you thinking you''ll want? A bergan is... excessive unless you're somrwhere where you need volume for wet/cold weather gear; I could live for weeks out of smaller, on a 'uw' load and food. I can make some suggestions unless you're set on a bergan, in which case yes, grt a bergan, cut the belt off it, and if you can find some get some of the body armour clips for 'repair' buckles for the lids.
Also, seriously consider the karrimor sf predator side panels: They are awesome organisational kit, and can be zipped off and stuck inside a daysack or zipped onto the side of a daysack depending what you're carrying.
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