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Post by waffenmacht on Nov 7, 2016 7:26:07 GMT -5
Found this video quite informative, detailing the use of "deer rifles", ammo needs and resupply considerations.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 7, 2016 12:44:39 GMT -5
Agree on a few points......disagree on a number of others.
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Post by trailrunner909 on Nov 7, 2016 23:16:49 GMT -5
Agree on a few points......disagree on a number of others. This... Also even though the vids focus was on rifles they really should not have neglected that an armed civilians 1st line is almost always going to be their ccw handgun. |
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Post by waffenmacht on Nov 8, 2016 7:18:51 GMT -5
Agree on a few points......disagree on a number of others. This... Also even though the vids focus was on rifles they really should not have neglected that an armed civilians 1st line is almost always going to be their ccw handgun. I'm not sure I agree. There are MANY armed civilians that do not even own a handgun but have that hunting rifle/shotgun in the closet. Even for myself, a handgun would ONLY be my first line if I didn't have access to a rifle (which would be rare). On the other hand, I agree there are many instances of personal defense where a handgun may be the only tool immediately available for a CCW civilian. Hawkeye I would love to hear your take on this. Its always been my feeling that should the need arise for the general populace to arm themselves, while I consider myself well equipped, MOST would fall into the categories Rex described. Being if they are armed at all it will be a hodge-podge of hunting type arms with very little support and a nightmare logistical supply. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 8, 2016 9:18:37 GMT -5
This... Also even though the vids focus was on rifles they really should not have neglected that an armed civilians 1st line is almost always going to be their ccw handgun. I'm not sure I agree. There are MANY armed civilians that do not even own a handgun but have that hunting rifle/shotgun in the closet. Even for myself, a handgun would ONLY be my first line if I didn't have access to a rifle (which would be rare). On the other hand, I agree there are many instances of personal defense where a handgun may be the only tool immediately available for a CCW civilian. Hawkeye I would love to hear your take on this. Its always been my feeling that should the need arise for the general populace to arm themselves, while I consider myself well equipped, MOST would fall into the categories Rex described. Being if they are armed at all it will be a hodge-podge of hunting type arms with very little support and a nightmare logistical supply. Oh, absolutely they will. But they shouldn't. Would be a bit much to try to get into everything regarding the video, but one thing is the idea that people could just use their deer rifles and be instant snipers. Just so much more to it than that. And while they may be able to initially, most people have less than 40 rounds of ammo for their "deer rifles" and will quickly run out of ammo. Then, resupply would be a serious issue I believe. I honestly don't want a rifle that's not chambered in 5.56/.223 rem or 7.62/.308 win, but I admittedly think differently than most people. I was listening to the video while working, so I really need to go back and re-listen to it to more accurately comment further. |
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Post by Erick on Nov 8, 2016 19:37:19 GMT -5
Sorry I couldnt get myself to listen to the entire 43 min vid .. Anyone have the cliffnotes?  |
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Post by protus on Nov 16, 2016 6:34:39 GMT -5
Sorry I couldnt get myself to listen to the entire 43 min vid .. Anyone have the cliffnotes? Use a bolt gun if you got it. Since they are common. Aka grab the 270 and hold off the back 40. Possible. But logistics and of course threat strength may make it an u wise choice. But in the end as we all know. Run whatca brung. |
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Post by judomayhem on Nov 17, 2016 12:09:01 GMT -5
I can foresee a leftist prez making fighting arms near impossible to buy a decade or so from now. Same with ammo. As for right now, a decent SKS runs about the same as a comparable bolt gun. And is far better for fighting. Ammo tends to be less money and easier to find in bulk, as well.
Here is a little essay I wrote and posted elsewhere. Seems to apply.
Knowing that the board attracts smarter, more serious APC's than other ones, I realize that most members have quality AR's and/or AK's. But most of us also have younger, perhaps more impoverished friends who can't realistically drop $1,000+ on a case of ammo and a quality rifle to shoot it. The following is for them:
I've lately become a fan of the SKS for a number of reasons. Among other things, unreliable ones were never made (unlike junk AR's and AK's that are being sold to young blue collar guys who can't afford quality varients). If you live in a rural or semi rural area, I would strongly encourage you to pick one up as your first fighting rifle. Later, when you can afford a higher priced weapon...just mothball the SKS and use it as a spare. If you are smart and chose a QUALITY AK-47 as your primary civilian fighting rifle, the ammo you have stockpiled for the SKS will pull double duty for you.
Here are excerpts from an article describing why the SKS was the primary arm of the Chinese Army. Tell me if these reasonings don't also apply to preppers: "The SKS had a long life in the service of other Soviet-aligned countries, in particular the Chinese army, who found it well suited to their own style of warfare, the "People's War" whose main actors were highly mobile, self-reliant guerrilla bands and rural militias protecting their own villages. In the philosophy of "the People's War", the emphasis was on sniping, spoiling attacks, and ambushes. For this the Chinese army preferred its own domestic version of the SKS (the Type 56 carbine) to the AK pattern. The standard practice was for squad leaders and assistant squad leaders to carry an assault rifle (AK) and for most other soldiers to carry a carbine, so that a front-line infantry squad fielded two assault rifles, two light machine guns, and seven carbines."
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