Sleep Sack..

[Ivarr Bergmann]

I'm about fed up with the Modular sleep sack system. I know I cannot be the only person who hates this thing. I have found no benefits of the Modular System over the old school Intermediate sack for what I'm doing. I'm thinking of either going back to the intermediate sleep sack of yesteryear's, since this is probably going to be the 5th warm winter in a row in South Central Alaska, or to the old school ECW sleep sack from the same era.



Or maybe even an old WWII goose-down mountain sleep sack. They are over plentiful up here and I know they work till around 35 below 0.


Old School Intermediate: 7 pounds. Rated for temperatures from 10˚ to 40˚ F.

Old School ECW: 9 pounds. Its rated down to temperatures of -20 F


MSS Sleep Sack System is 11 pounds is suppose to be rated to -30 and I can tell you that's a load of shit.







The Modular sack almost totally fills my PLCE rucksack. Upgrading to a new ruck is not an option. Its just ridiculous and causes me to rely on Survival Pod supplies too much.


The Modular sleep system coming in at 11 pounds has proved to have no benefits for me. I thought it was meant to be a lighter warmer system. Nope..The zipper(S) for the modular system are all shit usually all jamming at the same time. If they are not all closed you lose heat. Getting out in a hurry? Forget about it!

The whole thing is a orchestra of madness to roll tight, fit in its bag and stow in ruck in a hurry, you pick it up it slides is 15 different direction turning into a soup sandwich. Its dries for shit, soaks up any moisture from anything and rips pretty easy with tears getting quite out of control fast because of the smooth nylon. It melts very easy with the slightest amber landing on it causing uncontrolled holes that need immediate tending. No so much with the old school canvas shells. Ive never had condensations issues in the old school sleep sack like I do in the Modular sack. The only benefit I have noticed is the Goretex shell and I can lay a British Bivvy sack to the shears and sewing machine to make one work on it w/o the shitty zippers. Ive never seen the need for a "Patrol Sack". You're either in a sack or you're not. I see a Poncho liner and other warming kit for that purpose.



This past weekend was the final draw with the shitty weather and this sack. (none of these pics are from the weekend) ..IMO who ever pushed these on the Gov is a demented mother fuker. With all that being put out- I suspect others who are as old as I am young- and that are spread through the generations like me- have had the same experiences too?

Bergmann

[panzer0170]

british issue winter/arctic sleeping bag & bivvy bag has worked for me on 3 continents. If it's warm and dry, just sleep outside the bivvy. Think total weight is approx 4-5lbs. Good alternatives for less weight and smaller size are the snugpak softie range ( a common purchase for soldiers), and perhaps the snugpak zipped bivvy.

Never ever actually packed away, just stuffed loose in the main compartment of the bergan.

If space is an issue, and you usually carry dossbag packed up? consider the air support bergan. So long as you're not filling it with stupid weight it is a good, if somewhat bulky system.

[Ivarr Bergmann]

I wanted the AS Bergen but they were sold out and I wasn't gonna get MTC version, I wanted the DPM..

I always put things back how they belong. I cannot afford wet kit out there alone, so there's no back up for me but what I make for myself by observing a standard practices of putting things away securely....

At 4-5 pounds i may look into that.. know any good places that sells them?

[trailrunner909]

I had a Brit arctic/cold-weather bag that I used for camping in the back of my truck, I think it was a pattern 90. Nice tough bag, but bulky and weighed closer to 6 lbs. Should get you to -20 with a bivy and a good sleeping pad. Could stretch it lower.

Have you considered stuffing whatever system you get in the MSS carrier and lashing to the outside of your pack?

[Ivarr Bergmann]

I toyed with the external hauling of sleep sacks and its just too precarious like that. I tried it "Yukon" style for a while. Besides my current ruck wont allow it.

[panzer0170]

Aug 25, 2016 22:41:00 GMT -5 Ivarr Bergmann said:

I wanted the AS Bergen but they were sold out and I wasn't gonna get MTC version, I wanted the DPM..

I always put things back how they belong. I cannot afford wet kit out there alone, so there's no back up for me but what I make for myself by observing a standard practices of putting things away securely....

At 4-5 pounds i may look into that.. know any good places that sells them?

Stateside, you are out of luck.

Best shot in the UK would be www.kitmonster.co.uk

Please be aware ALL quoted prices include UK VAT at 20% that you are not subject to as an export customer.

Not sure what mail/import duties would come to, but pretty much all the kit on there is about the market price, but quality is second to none: If something is marked, it'll be advertised. If you do choose to go that route, there's a whole bunch of good gear on there to look at that is smaller and well priced for 'woods' gear.

Naturally, gear isn't everything, and their focus is very much the regular infantryman, but certain bits are just awesome kit that, here at least, is hard to come by. (the USGI 2qt idea was something I only thought up after their description to include 'hose adapter') etc. Best to order in bulk, for shipping, but Might do you a decent deal...

[panzer0170]

Pretty sure they have old AND new AS bergan too New one is definitely stupidly priced, old ones last I checked were decent (brand new stock, not second/third hand).

Just a thought.