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Post by omnivorous on Aug 18, 2016 15:38:35 GMT -5
So, its come to my understanding the USMC has been issuing such an item now for a while now. They're used for various general purposes, as E&E kits (which is counter-intuitive to the smock concept we know and love), and as medical bags. That last one is what has peaked my interest in the item. I think there are a few advantages the pack would have, over a med pouch fix to a chest rig or plate carrier: 1. It isn't fixed to the rig, so it can moved as needed, removed as needed, and carried without needing wear your whole damn rig. 2. When worn in the 12 o'clock position, its at the bottom point of your diver's triangle, and thus easily accessible by both of your hands, in pretty much any body position. 3. They seem to run a little bigger than the med pouches which are meant to be mounted on a rig, so you can squeeze-in the one extra Izzy or an extra tourniquet; working more towards the SOL IFAK concept outlined in that DVM blog post. So, what do y'all think? (And I know what "fanny" means in brit slang, Panzer. I'm still calling it that.) Here's some reference pics from user "The Other One", on the Lightfighter Tactical Forum   |
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Post by whitebear620 on Aug 18, 2016 17:40:52 GMT -5
I saw those posts browsing around lightfighter, I think it's probably a pretty good piece of gear for military. I don't know so much about APCs because a lot of us carry pistols and that might cause an issue. I use that 5.11 fanny pack for carrying while jogging and I think carrying things like that in the 12 o'clock position works pretty well.
I can also see a use for this as a CLS setup, but idk if you can cram enough in there for that.
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Post by judomayhem on Aug 18, 2016 18:29:31 GMT -5
In the US Army infantry, our Combat Life Savers (CLS) have been carrying jumbo buttpacks for about a decade. They are about the size of two loaves of bread stacked on top of one another. A bit bigger, actually. This is in addition to their personal rig mounted IFAC.
I firmly believe ALL Armed Prepared Citizens (APCs) should view themselves as CLS. That means get the training above and beyond the Red Cross stuff, and carry a similar ass pack in their vehicle at all times.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 18, 2016 19:29:05 GMT -5
In the US Army infantry, our Combat Life Savers (CLS) have been carrying jumbo buttpacks for about a decade. They are about the size of two loaves of bread stacked on top of one another. A bit bigger, actually. This is in addition to their personal rig mounted IFAC. I firmly believe ALL Armed Prepared Citizens (APCs) should view themselves as CLS. That means get the training above and beyond the Red Cross stuff, and carry a similar ass pack in their vehicle at all times. 2c. Judo...can you get me the name of these butt packs or pics? Thanks... Omni...looks interesting, but would have to hold and see the size and what it can hold. Thanks for the info... |
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Post by omnivorous on Aug 18, 2016 19:56:24 GMT -5
whitebear620I wasn't really thinking of the application for CCW, but more for train/bad times-types of situations. judomayhemYeah, I've seen those already, but I think those fit more into the dedicated CLS personnel role/vehicle trauma kit, not so much the alternative IFAK carriage role I'm exploring. @patriotic Sheepdog I've got a little extra scratch right now, so I was thinking of picking-up Emdom USA's offering in the category. It has a few extra ergonomic & quality-of-life features over its competitors, & if I don't care for it, I could likely sell on the aftermarket & make most of the investment back. These could still work in a CCW role, because they're small enough to be stuffed into a travel bag, and deployed as needed.
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Post by whitebear620 on Aug 18, 2016 19:59:03 GMT -5
In the US Army infantry, our Combat Life Savers (CLS) have been carrying jumbo buttpacks for about a decade. They are about the size of two loaves of bread stacked on top of one another. A bit bigger, actually. This is in addition to their personal rig mounted IFAC. I firmly believe ALL Armed Prepared Citizens (APCs) should view themselves as CLS. That means get the training above and beyond the Red Cross stuff, and carry a similar ass pack in their vehicle at all times. 2c. I guess I could have phrased that better. I meant CLS as in the guy designated to carry EXTRA medical supplies in lieu of the medic being there, everyone should carry at least a BOK on them. |
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 19, 2016 7:17:37 GMT -5
This is how we carry respirators when there is a CBRN threat. It's a great method of accessing stuff. And, technically, at the 12 position it IS a fannypack and not a bumbag  |
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Post by judomayhem on Aug 20, 2016 17:50:29 GMT -5
In the US Army infantry, our Combat Life Savers (CLS) have been carrying jumbo buttpacks for about a decade. They are about the size of two loaves of bread stacked on top of one another. A bit bigger, actually. This is in addition to their personal rig mounted IFAC. I firmly believe ALL Armed Prepared Citizens (APCs) should view themselves as CLS. That means get the training above and beyond the Red Cross stuff, and carry a similar ass pack in their vehicle at all times. 2c. Judo...can you get me the name of these butt packs or pics? Thanks... Yes. May be a week (or more) before I see one again. And then I may not be where there is reception. But I WILL do it.  I did look at the label on them a year or so back and it was a company I had never heard of before. I think they specialize in gear for medics/corpsman. |
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I did look at the label on them a year or so back and it was a company I had never heard of before. I think they specialize in gear for medics/corpsman.