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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 14, 2016 5:16:30 GMT -5
Rifle always offers better control. And the longer barrel allows you to push the limit of the 9mm better than a handgun. There's also the price. A new Glock and the 6 second mount are running almost into new rifle territory depending upon what deals you can score. As for shouldering a brace. If you have a carbine out to get home that is probably the least of your concerns.I'd love a Sub 2000 as a vehicle gun someday This is most of the bit that I'm taking exception with. Whilst there is a good chance no one will see how you fire the weapon and therefore it's not a problem, if someone does you open yourself up to a whole bunch of legal ramifications. If we kept firearms in our trunks only in case 'shtf', then people wouldn't be carrying them daily, and in reality anyone who has to use a firearm is going to have to use it at short notice, in a situation where the law WILL come after them when the event is over. It's important in my eyes to look beyond the actual event. Shooting someone is not a trivial matter and has it's own set of repercussions without the law getting involved, and given the criminal sentences etc that the ATF can impose if they DO prosecute, or if the family of your 'victim' (and I use that word very loosely) does and their attorney is even remotely good, that could be anything from you having the legal right to bear arms removed because you've committed a felony right through to you being locked up for X amount of years and your family now having to provide without your input. I love the idea of a trunk gun, I love these bandoleers, but I figure if you're going to be carrying something that you've got out to get home, or to at least make sure you can get home (shopping mall shooting or some such), then you want to make it effective AND legal. Sub2000 is a fantastic choice, I just think AR pistols, especially if you then hamper them to pistol rounds, isn't. I liken this to the topic we had on modified firearms; Your magazines have a baseplate with punisher logos on and now the attorney says you had intent to kill or some crap. You get caught shouldering a brace and an attorney decides that you had, all along, intended to shoulder it (and I think if out of nothing more than habit, most people WOULD shoulder one in an actual stressful scenario...) and now you're up sh*t creek. Naturally, the risks each of us take are up to us to decide, but I think given the other options, even rifle calibre AR style pistols are less than ideal and there are some many other ways of going about the task that I wouldn't bother even considering it. On that note; What other Sub2000 style things are kicking about that are proven to work, and take glock mags? |
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Post by waffenmacht on Aug 15, 2016 11:11:20 GMT -5
SBR and done. It's $200.
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 15, 2016 12:04:53 GMT -5
what're the legalities of 'trunking' an SBR? I have wondered a long time why this isn't a thing, especially for guys with 3+ regular ARs and 4 hunting rifles etc? |
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Post by waffenmacht on Aug 15, 2016 12:33:28 GMT -5
what're the legalities of 'trunking' an SBR? I have wondered a long time why this isn't a thing, especially for guys with 3+ regular ARs and 4 hunting rifles etc? Its a thing for me. Legalities? None that I am aware of unless you cross state lines, and even then there is a process/notification for that. |
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 15, 2016 12:41:54 GMT -5
I knew about the state line stuff and the duty to inform, and from what I gather you can even set up a regular notification (IE if you live on the border of two states, or travel a lot to a location out of state). I just wasn't sure about if it had to be stored anywhere specific, 'under control' etc. If the only issue for the whole thing is $200 and a wait time, I think I'd have to vote in favour of a 'crappy' rifle over an 'up armoured' pistol all day.
I'm sure there are valid reasons NOT to, but thinking about where I intend to move when she's had her fill of living here.... If this is a thing, this will be the route I take. I still like the bandoleer, but to me that could very much be used at the bottom of whatever bag you have that day and get whipped out if you're away from your rifle, if you were to get caught in any sort of protracted defence/withdrawal etc
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Post by waffenmacht on Aug 16, 2016 6:38:28 GMT -5
Yeah, there's still plenty of viability for a pouch like this. Granted a pistol-caliber rifle will not be as effective as a full sized battle rifle, but everything is a compromise when you start talking about niche roles. A daily carry rifle-or super compact rifle will give up alot of effectiveness to accomplish compactness and ease of deployment. However, it will still offer a big improvement in range and accuracy over a standard handgun. And that's were it really shines. A compact Mp5 for example, would be desirable over a standard handgun in almost any gunfight... and a 9mm chambered AR would offer the exact same effectiveness.
So think of it in the scenario, you daily carry a Glock 19. Your go-to rifle is an AR10 in 7.62. Now you aren't gonna be able to easily carry that rifle around in public...An AR in 9mm that takes the same magazines as your Glock that can be collapsed to 20" overall....that would fit in a backpack. With the same controls/method of operation as your AR10. Sure, its not as effective as your big ol AR10, but it does get you something better then just a handgun...and its easily carried in a backpack, in public, and no one is the wiser. I am actually working on a video that will detail a very similar scenario so grab your popcorn I expect it to be a good one.
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