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Post by Hawkeye on Aug 9, 2016 7:51:17 GMT -5
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Post by Ivarr Bergmann on Aug 9, 2016 8:33:32 GMT -5
Good idea....
Ivarr
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Post by whitebear620 on Aug 9, 2016 10:40:01 GMT -5
Nice. Might go good with a 9mm AR pistol as a trunk gun configuration.
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Post by trailrunner909 on Aug 9, 2016 13:00:47 GMT -5
In the process of getting a rmr on the glock I ccw. Now I'm going to need one of these.
Glock 19 with rmr in the waistband, bandolier in the ghb or under seat of truck. Throw it on under a button up or light jacket. Very capable yet concealable setup that can be pressed out to 100 in a pinch.
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 10, 2016 10:31:19 GMT -5
should work well with my Kel-Tec Sub 2K
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 10, 2016 16:18:28 GMT -5
Nice. Might go good with a 9mm AR pistol as a trunk gun configuration. May as well just go with a rifle calibre if you're going to go AR pistol...
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Post by Patriotic Sheepdog on Aug 10, 2016 18:31:45 GMT -5
Nice. Might go good with a 9mm AR pistol as a trunk gun configuration. May as well just go with a rifle calibre if you're going to go AR pistol... Well, I carry my Sub2K as a trunk gun. The reason I carry a pistol caliber carbine is it uses the same caliber and mags as my pistol. Therefore i only need to carry one caliber (which is lighter as well) and all my mags fit either weapon. This would just allow me to reach out a bit further if needed. If I am hiking home, I want to go fast and light and stay out of fights. My sub2K folds up and can fit in my pack as well if needed. Not sure if that is the same reasoning whitebear620 has, but thats mine. Having that new bandolier will allow me to carry my happy sticks better.
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Post by whitebear620 on Aug 10, 2016 21:04:31 GMT -5
May as well just go with a rifle calibre if you're going to go AR pistol... Well, I carry my Sub2K as a trunk gun. The reason I carry a pistol caliber carbine is it uses the same caliber and mags as my pistol. Therefore i only need to carry one caliber (which is lighter as well) and all my mags fit either weapon. This would just allow me to reach out a bit further if needed. If I am hiking home, I want to go fast and light and stay out of fights. My sub2K folds up and can fit in my pack as well if needed. Not sure if that is the same reasoning whitebear620 has, but thats mine. Having that new bandolier will allow me to carry my happy sticks better. All of the reasons above. Plus 9mm can be cheaper, and can be easier to shoot out of a <16" barrel. Plus, it looks as if a pouch version of the bandoleer would only be two rows of MOLLE for two mags, but I could be wrong on that.
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 11, 2016 0:17:33 GMT -5
Totally get it if you have the keltec or something similar, my point was specifically about the ar style pistol: you're taking an effective platform and decreasing it's effectiveness. If it folded like the sub2000 then that'd weigh in in favour of using it pistol calibre. I like the bandoleer, I just think 9mm pistols of the AR variety specifically are more of a gimmick than a good option, esp when the sub2000 and others exist (I personally would look at the POF mp5 pistol clones...)
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Post by trailrunner909 on Aug 11, 2016 1:43:02 GMT -5
If only it was legal to throw a shoulder stock on a glock without the hassle of making it an sbr. Same goes for a true pdw, or even better a non sporter tavor x95.
Ar pistols and the sub2k do a good job of trying to make the best of a bad situation. Relatively compact semiconcealble firepower.
That said how hard is it to deploy a sub2k from a folded and slung position under a jacket?
It would be fun to run a draco head to head against a sub2k and a couple ar pistols.
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Post by Hawkeye on Aug 11, 2016 13:24:26 GMT -5
I used to question 9mm AR's as well. Not anymore. Close friend built one and I honestly now have a desire to do so myself. It makes for a very small, compact package in a pistol form, but with better range and accuracy than a "normal" handgun. By going with either a Quarter Circle 10 or Palmetto State Armory lower that uses Glock mags, I can use any 9mm Glock mag from a 10 round G26 mag, all the way up through a G19, G17, and the 33 Round mags. This gives me compatibility with my daily carry handgun as PSD said, and offer a cheaper practice alternative all while keeping the controls and operation the same as my carbine. A 9mm AR pistol can be made to be much smaller than even the Kel-Tec (which I do like) which makes storage in a vehicle/get home bag all the easier. For urban use in a get-home situation, I think its an extremely valid option, as long as one keeps in mind that it is still a pistol caliber and not a rifle, and employ it as such.
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Post by panzer0170 on Aug 12, 2016 11:29:30 GMT -5
I used to question 9mm AR's as well. Not anymore. Close friend built one and I honestly now have a desire to do so myself. It makes for a very small, compact package in a pistol form, but with better range and accuracy than a "normal" handgun. By going with either a Quarter Circle 10 or Palmetto State Armory lower that uses Glock mags, I can use any 9mm Glock mag from a 10 round G26 mag, all the way up through a G19, G17, and the 33 Round mags. This gives me compatibility with my daily carry handgun as PSD said, and offer a cheaper practice alternative all while keeping the controls and operation the same as my carbine. A 9mm AR pistol can be made to be much smaller than even the Kel-Tec (which I do like) which makes storage in a vehicle/get home bag all the easier. For urban use in a get-home situation, I think its an extremely valid option, as long as one keeps in mind that it is still a pistol caliber and not a rifle, and employ it as such. Why not just go with something like a glock w/ the six second mount? What does an AR pistol bring that something like the 6SM doesn't have? Given stocks are a no-no, and it appears using a brace in a non-WROL situation remains illegal (and I ask this from the perspective that if you use it, you have more chance of using it out of, rather than in, a WROL scenario...) I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't have any experience with 9mm carbine-esque (legal defenition aside) weapons to see the difference. I understand why it would be preferable over an MP5 clone using different mags, but not over a full size pistol with all the trimmings.
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Post by wesker on Aug 12, 2016 14:08:58 GMT -5
Rifle always offers better control. And the longer barrel allows you to push the limit of the 9mm better than a handgun.
There's also the price. A new Glock and the 6 second mount are running almost into new rifle territory depending upon what deals you can score.
As for shouldering a brace. If you have a carbine out to get home that is probably the least of your concerns.
I'd love a Sub 2000 as a vehicle gun someday
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Post by odgreen on Aug 13, 2016 20:12:44 GMT -5
The Keltec Sub2000 works well, and offers the use of the same magazines that handguns use (My preference to Glock in 9mm). What we find on the range for performance is that the Keltec Sub2000 offers 100yd and closer consistent hits, and when using a shot timer we see shooters are also quicker to hit targets (even at 25yds), so IMHO having a shoulder fired weapon would be a better choice over a handgun in a gunfight. I know several people who keep a Keltec Sub2000 in a backpack in their vehicles, as it is compact, and can be quickly deployed if needed, so the bandoleer is a great idea.
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Post by Dave R on Aug 13, 2016 22:50:56 GMT -5
Curious if these will fit the Glock .45 / 26rd mags. Would like a bandoleer for the Kriss Vector loudout.
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