Paul
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Post by Paul on Apr 8, 2017 17:18:18 GMT -5
What do you all think of this "firearm?" I don't want to like it because it seems relatively useless. Yet the more I watch videos on it or look at it, the more I like it. Does it serve any real purpose beyond door breaching? Looking forward to hearing what you think.
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 8, 2017 20:05:56 GMT -5
You keep it handy, for close encounters...
Seriously, though, outside of it being a much easier way for a civilian to have a breaching gun, I think it's mostly a range toy. There are better guns, shotguns even, for home defense, & an AR or AK pistol would serve better as a truck gun. I would still like to have one, though, with an added breaching muzzle device & a mounted light, because I'd like a breaching shotgun for reasons. Legitimate, non-poser reasons...
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Post by RobertJ on Apr 9, 2017 7:47:13 GMT -5
You keep it handy, for close encounters... "Cpl. Dwayne Hicks" one of my favorite lines. along with "Eat this" concur great breaching gun if you ever plan on breaching anything, but other shotguns will work in a pinch. This will help civilians around SBS taxes etc. .
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Post by omnivorous on Apr 17, 2017 21:36:37 GMT -5
I am honestly reconsidering my initial opinion, after watching this video.
The videos of people I've seen shooting this kind of firearm, are mostly dicking-around, but this guy is really demonstrating the practical application of a shotgun in such a cut-down configuration.
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Post by panzer0170 on Apr 18, 2017 8:18:19 GMT -5
first video I saw of this bangstick was from clint; It's a viable tool, but somewhat specific in scope. No one says 'handguns aren't powerful enough, don't use one': This, to my mind, is basically a very difficult yet potentially practical if you CAN handle it (308 AR, anyone?) handgun. Probably easier to control than some of the larger caliber handguns due to its form and function.
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Post by wolffpack on May 28, 2017 22:03:17 GMT -5
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Post by omnivorous on May 30, 2017 19:16:17 GMT -5
^ As long as you have a matching trench coat.
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ulf
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Post by ulf on May 31, 2017 14:47:36 GMT -5
Per ATF these are classified as "Other" and it's a Federal crime to conceal them - not saying it's right or that someone won't!
Handy for home protection and breaching but, l'd rather have a full stock.
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Post by omnivorous on Jun 1, 2017 12:59:07 GMT -5
I thought it wasn't an AOW, and that's what made it the new hotness.
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Post by ulf on Jun 1, 2017 16:38:38 GMT -5
Yes that right "Others" aren't AOWs like short barreled shotguns so they don't require fed paper and the $5 tax. They still need the NICS check and are Federally regulated - I know it doesn't make sense to anyone but a bureaucrat!🙄
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Post by omnivorous on Jun 1, 2017 19:06:05 GMT -5
Wait, so there is one category of "Other", & another category of "Any Other Weapon"?
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Post by panzer0170 on Jun 2, 2017 1:40:57 GMT -5
so still allowed across state lines because no stamp, but non-concealable because not AOW?
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Post by ulf on Jun 2, 2017 8:09:57 GMT -5
@omni - yes there are two categories. Other is made at the factory with a pistol grip and short barrel. It can never have a full stock of any kind. Braces like Shockwave are ok though. AOW can be made at the factory or by the end user and may have a full stock.
@panzer - correct on both points!
Please note, I'm not with ATF - these are the answers I was given by a particular ATF agent and my State Police licensing office. As always, YMMV and depends on the interpretation of in individual officer/agent you are dealing with at the time.
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Post by omnivorous on Jun 3, 2017 3:34:11 GMT -5
Its a "firearm" based on the Gun Control Act, but not a "firearm" based on the National Firearms Act. This is the key sentence, "Please note that if the subject firearm is concealed on a person, the classification with regard to the NFA may change." It seems like there is no set precedence to be acted upon, should the BATFE attempt to charge someone for concealing on their person, a 590 Shockwave. Some states have no provisions at all when it comes to what weapons may be carried concealed upon a permitted individual's person, barring full-autos in almost every instance; I didn't do an exhaustive search, but learned of at least a few which did and gathered most other states would likely be in accord. It seems it is a legal, or regulatory, grey area. Here's Mossberg's letter from the BATFE, specifically regarding the 590 Shockwave: www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Shockwave-Letter-from-ATF-3-2-17.pdf
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Post by ulf on Jun 4, 2017 8:11:43 GMT -5
From the horse's mouth! Thanks omni!😉
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