bigen
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Post by bigen on Jan 11, 2015 10:08:14 GMT -5
for their dagger to allow for the Nazi greatcoat, incomplete thrusts, bad angles, pack harness, etc. And guess what? they had a lot more experience to draw upon than the FBI's "study". I don't have to penetrate your heart completely to ruin its function and your heart is just an inch inside of your sternum. Nature doesn't waste space, folks. your chest is crammed full of internal organs. to need the 15" of penetration that the FBI wants, you'd have to shoot the guy in the butt while he crawled backwards at you!
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Post by bigen on Jan 11, 2015 10:14:36 GMT -5
you're not a cop, so better not be shooting thru cars, at sideways men, etc. It will probably send you to prison, and almost certainly cost you 100k and years in court, due to lawsuits, etc. You don't want a handgun bullet that gets more than about 9" of penetration in actual flesh and blood, cause it's just going to waste some of its power on the far side of your attacker. Jello testing means almost nothing. shoot some critters instead. you'll notice that you get far more penetration/less expansion in them than is shown in jello testing. As in 30% more penetration. Also, 20% jello has been dropped by the military and gun industry, decades ago. The jello testing that you see on youtube is 20% mix, so it's bs. It takes 10%, jello, held at just the right temps(40F degrees or so, calibrated with a BB gun,as to penetration) to give even moderately comparable results to flesh and blood. It also takes repeated testing, of the same load, to insure what you see is not a fluke. So the jello testing is a crock. IF a jhp bullet penetrates 15", lengthwise thru a coon or chuck, it will penetrate even more in a man, due to clothing clogging the hp cavity and delaying expansion.
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Post by bigen on Jan 11, 2015 10:18:36 GMT -5
if a handgun bullet strikes a man's hand/wrist/forearm as he points a pistol at you, 2 handed, the odds of the bullet reaching into his organs are poor, regardless of bullet type or penetration depth. it is likely to be stopped or deflected. Having a violently expanding, truly powerful load at least increases the effect when you DO properly impact his chest. Such a bullet also greatly increases the odds of the arm/hand strike making him drop the pistol or at least, be debilitated by the hit. unless major bones are broken, ball hits to such limbs do almost nothing. many of the heavy for caliber jhp's dont expand in animal tests, folks. so the only effect you get out of them is the flat nose.
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Post by hudson5969 on Jan 11, 2015 10:32:15 GMT -5
They want a min of 12-15" of penetration in ordnance gel, which doesn't necessarily translate to 12-15" of penetration in flesh.
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 12, 2015 2:32:02 GMT -5
What's the point of this thread?
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Post by Hawkeye on Jan 12, 2015 9:18:05 GMT -5
Someone wanted to try and strut around like a chicken house rooster and pontificate and show how enlightened they were compared to us plebes.
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Post by omnivorous on Jan 12, 2015 13:28:27 GMT -5
Someone wanted to try and strut around like a chicken house rooster and pontificate and show how enlightened they were compared to us plebes. lol |
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Post by winter on Jan 12, 2015 15:30:35 GMT -5
here's a true story.
bear season 2012. My best friend and his friend are brown bear hunting and they find a 900ish lb male. One shot of a .375H&H magnum hits it just below the spine from broadside @ 175 yards. The bear runs off and they pursue. In to the deep brush they go looking for this beast. They have transitioned to an AR in 6.5, a 1911 in .45 acp. and a .44 mag.
They find the bear, the bear takes 2 hits with the 6.5 and is annoyed and manages to run off again. After a while of searching they find the bear again and the friend shoot it in the sternum from the front with the .45. The bear drops like a sack of shit.
The .45 230 JHP killed the bear and the bullet was found in the ham/hindquarter and penetrated over 60 inches through a brown bear.
What is the lesson learned here? Flying chunks of metal do very strange things. You can test them all the live long day and the best info you have is only an educated guess.
This story is not a suggestion to use .45 acp as a bear round,,lol.
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Post by hudson5969 on Jan 13, 2015 0:53:28 GMT -5
Seems we once again come to the concept of shooting whatever your target is to the ground, rather than trying to rely on a single shot of anything to do the trick.
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Post by winter on Jan 13, 2015 3:32:53 GMT -5
Fuck you guys, I still don't believe that $% went 6 ft through a damn brownie.
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Post by winter on Jan 13, 2015 3:33:46 GMT -5
Aim your shit, put it as close to the engine as you can.
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Post by winter on Jan 13, 2015 3:37:30 GMT -5
I faild here. Look at it, learn from it. What potato?
$ days, all the tato
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Post by winter on Jan 13, 2015 3:39:04 GMT -5
Fuck you guys, I still don't believe that $% went 6 ft through a damn brownie. I should be banned for this. |
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Post by UnforseenWeather on Jan 13, 2015 7:30:34 GMT -5
Winter should we call EMS? Are you okay?  |
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Post by waffenmacht on Jan 13, 2015 7:43:58 GMT -5
Flying chunks of metal do very strange things. You can test them all the live long day and the best info you have is only an educated guess. Words of wisdom here. |
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